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01-02-2019, 03:58 AM
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(01-01-2019 07:34 PM)Skookum Charlie Wrote:  
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Actions have consequences, and whether we’re in Syria or not, the people who want to harm us are there & at war. Isolationism is weakness. Empowering ISIS is dangerous. Playing into Russia & Iran’s hands is foolish. This President is putting our national security at grave risk.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/statu...3419088896

Lying about the origins of ISIS is easily the biggest MSM crime of the last decade. How can we still pretend we don't know that HILLARY herself created ISIS, when she killed Qaddafi and allowed $300m worth of weapons to be stolen from BENGHAZI?

Those weapons all went from Libya to Syria. Its not that far...
And it unleashed the friggin' migrant crisis.

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01-02-2019, 08:02 AM
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Even Donald Trump said US created ISIS

it's very obvious

US hates Assad

Isis attacks Assad

no more ninny winny arguments

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01-02-2019, 02:30 PM
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01-02-2019, 08:42 PM
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Quote:Welcome to the world of President Rand Paul

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By Josh Rogin

December 27, 2018

President’s Trump’s foreign policy follows no firm ideology but is often a combination of his long-held personal views and the influence of whoever currently has his ear. These days, Trump is listening more than ever to Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who is quietly steering U.S. foreign policy in a new direction.

After Trump’s abrupt decision to withdraw all U.S. troops from Syria — against the advice of his entire national security team — a stunned Washington establishment rushed to blame Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who reportedly asked Trump to leave Syria during a Dec. 14 phone call. But Erdogan has made that request for years. What’s changed recently is whom Trump is listening to back home.

Several U.S. officials and people who have spoken directly to Trump since his Syria decision tell me they believe that Paul’s frequent phone conversations with Trump, wholly outside the policy process, are having an outsize influence on the president’s recent foreign policy decisions. The two golf buddies certainly are sounding a lot alike recently.

Paul told CNN on Dec. 23 that he had talked to Trump about Syria and was “very proud of the president.” That night on Twitter, Trump quoted Paul as saying, “It should not be the job of America to replace regimes around the world… The generals still don’t get the mistake.”

[Robert S. Ford: Trump’s Syria decision was essentially correct. Here’s how he can make the most of it.]

Speaking to U.S. troops on Wednesday in Iraq, Trump preached noninterventionism and bragged about denying his own generals six more months to fight the Islamic State inside Syria before withdrawing. “America shouldn’t be doing the fighting for every nation on Earth [and] not being reimbursed,” Trump said. “We’re no longer the suckers, folks.”

Criticizing past U.S. policy at a campaign rally is one thing. The commander in chief telling U.S. soldiers in a war zone that he has lost faith in their generals, and is therefore changing their mission, is another. Trump’s Iraq trip moved U.S. foreign policy one big step in Paul’s direction.

Officials told me that, throughout the national security bureaucracy, everyone is aware that Paul’s voice is one to which the president is paying increasing attention. The existing concern over Paul’s influence on Russia policy has now boiled over with respect to Syria.

Of course, there’s nothing wrong with a senator advising the president on foreign policy. Hawks such as Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) do it all the time. But the Trump-Paul bromance is troubling because Trump may be taking Paul’s word over that of his own advisers. Moreover, Paul has a history of pushing false claims and theories, especially with regard to the Middle East.

Paul regularly says the GOP hawks “created” the Islamic State. In 2015, he apologized for repeating a debunked claim that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) had met with Islamic State members inside Syria. Paul has said the United States could become the “air force for al-Qaeda” in Syria, misrepresenting the cooperation between U.S. and local Syrian forces against the Islamic State. He doubts U.S. intelligence assessments that Bashar al-Assad gassed his own people.

To paraphrase Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Paul is entitled to his own opinions but not his own facts. If a senator the president trusts is feeding him bad information, that’s a huge problem.

Fans of the president’s Syria policy will argue that Trump and Paul are simply responding to the American people’s war weariness after two decades of failed U.S. interventions in the Middle East. But the implications of Trump following Paul on foreign policy extend beyond Syria.

Trump has already decided to slash the U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan, which Paul has long pushed. Is South Korea next? Trump often says he wants to bring U.S. troops there home, too. Paul’s idea is to swap out U.S. soldiers with Chinese troops, which would be a huge blow to U.S. leadership in Asia

Walter Russell Mead wrote this week that Trump is choosing a Jeffersonian foreign policy (Paul) over a Jacksonian foreign policy (Cotton). But that ascribes too much consistency to Trump’s decision-making. The foreign policy Trump touted during his campaign contained elements of both isolationism and internationalism, and he has shown he is capable of both.

In the run-up to 2020, Trump should realize that most Republicans — and most Americans — favor a robust U.S. foreign policy. Most voters recognize that worldwide threats to our country are growing and believe now is a time for American leadership, not American retreat.

In his resignation letter, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis suggested that Trump doesn’t believe in traditional American foreign policy values and therefore should surround himself with advisers who share that view. In fact, Trump has often sought out a diversity of opinions. What he needs are experienced professionals with good information whom he actually trusts.

Trump’s worldview is not predetermined. He’s not a neocon or a hawk or a realist. Right now, he is listening to Paul because Paul is telling him what he wants to hear.

Ideally, Trump will soon realize that adopting Paul’s vision for the future of U.S. foreign policy is not only dangerous for our national security but bad politics as well.
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01-24-2019, 08:24 PM
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01-29-2019, 10:29 AM
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01-29-2019, 10:32 AM
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Het EY, I thought this site was down for about a week.

Glad I was wrong hehehe Smile




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01-30-2019, 08:49 AM
Post: #3563
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that's the standard MO of the western imperialists

engage in sanctions and economic warfare.. let the civilians suffer.. and let the civilians blame the "targeted" govt

then regime change

rinse repeat

it's so simple.. yet people don't see the reality
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01-30-2019, 10:51 AM (This post was last modified: 01-30-2019 10:53 AM by Skookum Charlie.)
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(01-30-2019 08:49 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  that's the standard MO of the western imperialists

engage in sanctions and economic warfare.. let the civilians suffer.. and let the civilians blame the "targeted" govt

then regime change

rinse repeat

it's so simple.. yet people don't see the reality

A fairly comprehensive breakdown of US intervention in Venezuela from Tony Carlucci here:


Quote:US Regime Change in Venezuela: The Documented Evidence

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-regime-...ce/5666500

the Winnson shama knew
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01-31-2019, 08:27 AM
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First ending the govt shutdown with nothing to show for it, then endorsing Venezuelan regime change. It is almost like they told Trump it is OK to end the facade, and just start doing what we tell you to do, openly.
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02-07-2019, 05:38 AM
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02-07-2019, 05:38 AM
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(01-31-2019 08:27 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  First ending the govt shutdown with nothing to show for it, then endorsing Venezuelan regime change. It is almost like they told Trump it is OK to end the facade, and just start doing what we tell you to do, openly.

yee

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02-07-2019, 06:02 AM
Post: #3568
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The State of the Union address had some hilarious burns (such as telling Occasionally Coherent and Bernie that America will never be a socialist country) and also some scarcely believable low points.

Talking shit on Russia, about some nonsense intermediate ballistic missile defence treaty, and how wars to protect Israel are great.

Everything was "This for that". I will give you guys a wall, but also, we are going to keep soldiers in Iraq. And btw, legal immigration is going to go way up.
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02-07-2019, 07:25 AM
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Buzz Aldrin shows up and Trump says America will go back to space in 2019 with american rockets



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02-17-2019, 05:11 AM (This post was last modified: 02-17-2019 05:13 AM by kungfool.)
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The final 20 minutes of Trump's SotU was unbearable.

He might as well have just called the Jews "God's Chosen People".

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