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10-02-2019, 07:21 AM
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also I am not against a bit of socialist support of Farmers but I hope they voted for 'Obamacare' Tongue
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10-02-2019, 07:28 AM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2019 07:29 AM by pilgrim.)
Post: #32
RE: Cop brutally beats and tasers 12 year old
(10-02-2019 07:14 AM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 06:17 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 04:57 AM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 04:49 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 04:38 AM)karasu Wrote:  we should never condone one evil simply because it is lesser than some other elsewhere in the world.

Men in the USA are the current victims of social injustice there......"oh but look how the Taliban treats women"

Who is condoning evil? Your straw man just caught fire.

And are you suggesting that using pepper spray is evil? Would you prefer that police go right to using their firearms rather than using non-lethal methods?
My biggest complaint is that police have pepper spray, tazers, bean bags and other non-lethal methods for dealing with people but to often they go right to pulling their guns.

What would you have them do there instead?



we were discussing that pepper-spray cop picture. Clearly that was unnecessary and China was not relevant to the discussion of that incident.

I contrasted the policeman's method with China's method who EY holds up as a bastion of all that is good while constantly bashing the US and the West. Consider it a larger issue than just the policeman picture.

You still haven't anserwed my question; What would you have those police do there instead of using the pepper spray? Pull their guns and shoot? What would you suggest they do instead of using non-lethal pepper spray?

I would have that the police allow those people their "Right to Assemble" clearly they were not presenting a violent threat. And I seem to recall the good people here on this forum even submitted EVIDENCE how the police nefariously planted rabble-rousers into the crowd to give them the necessary excuse to go in and FORCEFULLY remove the PEACEFUL to protesters to satisfy their CORPORATE MastersTongue

The picture you posted took place on a university campus which was private property. You don't have the same rights on private property that you do on public property. They were told to leave and were therefore trespassing and needed to be removed.

Pepper spray is a non-lethal method of removing the protesters. They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes and be unable to complete their degree. Would that be a better approach in your mind?
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10-02-2019, 09:04 AM
Post: #33
RE: Cop brutally beats and tasers 12 year old
(10-02-2019 07:28 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 07:14 AM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 06:17 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 04:57 AM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 04:49 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  Who is condoning evil? Your straw man just caught fire.

And are you suggesting that using pepper spray is evil? Would you prefer that police go right to using their firearms rather than using non-lethal methods?
My biggest complaint is that police have pepper spray, tazers, bean bags and other non-lethal methods for dealing with people but to often they go right to pulling their guns.

What would you have them do there instead?



we were discussing that pepper-spray cop picture. Clearly that was unnecessary and China was not relevant to the discussion of that incident.

I contrasted the policeman's method with China's method who EY holds up as a bastion of all that is good while constantly bashing the US and the West. Consider it a larger issue than just the policeman picture.

You still haven't anserwed my question; What would you have those police do there instead of using the pepper spray? Pull their guns and shoot? What would you suggest they do instead of using non-lethal pepper spray?

I would have that the police allow those people their "Right to Assemble" clearly they were not presenting a violent threat. And I seem to recall the good people here on this forum even submitted EVIDENCE how the police nefariously planted rabble-rousers into the crowd to give them the necessary excuse to go in and FORCEFULLY remove the PEACEFUL to protesters to satisfy their CORPORATE MastersTongue

The picture you posted took place on a university campus which was private property. You don't have the same rights on private property that you do on public property. They were told to leave and were therefore trespassing and needed to be removed.

Pepper spray is a non-lethal method of removing the protesters. They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes and be unable to complete their degree. Would that be a better approach in your mind?


They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes-----


so they weren't really trespassing then since they were students?

Did the University put out the order to have them removed? If so then also sounds like a "biting the hand which feeds you"
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10-02-2019, 09:09 AM
Post: #34
RE: Cop brutally beats and tasers 12 year old
(10-02-2019 09:04 AM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 07:28 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 07:14 AM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 06:17 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 04:57 AM)karasu Wrote:  we were discussing that pepper-spray cop picture. Clearly that was unnecessary and China was not relevant to the discussion of that incident.

I contrasted the policeman's method with China's method who EY holds up as a bastion of all that is good while constantly bashing the US and the West. Consider it a larger issue than just the policeman picture.

You still haven't anserwed my question; What would you have those police do there instead of using the pepper spray? Pull their guns and shoot? What would you suggest they do instead of using non-lethal pepper spray?

I would have that the police allow those people their "Right to Assemble" clearly they were not presenting a violent threat. And I seem to recall the good people here on this forum even submitted EVIDENCE how the police nefariously planted rabble-rousers into the crowd to give them the necessary excuse to go in and FORCEFULLY remove the PEACEFUL to protesters to satisfy their CORPORATE MastersTongue

The picture you posted took place on a university campus which was private property. You don't have the same rights on private property that you do on public property. They were told to leave and were therefore trespassing and needed to be removed.

Pepper spray is a non-lethal method of removing the protesters. They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes and be unable to complete their degree. Would that be a better approach in your mind?


They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes-----


so they weren't really trespassing then since they were students?

Did the University put out the order to have them removed? If so then also sounds like a "biting the hand which feeds you"

You are trespassing as soon as the property owner tells you to leave. If you are a customer in a store or club and you create a disturbance you can be asked to leave. If you refuse you can then be legally trespassed.
In the case of a bar, they often have boucers which will put you out of the bar physically.

In this case they campus police chose not to arrest or physically touch anyone so they used pepper spray.

You still haven't answered the question. What should they have done instead? Should they have gone into CHYNA mode and just physically captured them and drag them off to a concentration camp?
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10-02-2019, 01:05 PM
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RE: Cop brutally beats and tasers 12 year old
(10-01-2019 05:29 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 02:25 PM)karasu Wrote:  [Image: Uc_Davis_Pepper_Spray_Incident.jpg]

this is just a classic pic

so non-chalant.. so much disregard for human dignity

spraying human beings as if they were spraying monsanto roundup on weeds

this is MURICA


LOL





HONG KONG (Reuters) - Hong Kong protesters threw petrol bombs and police fired tear gas in street battles across the city on Tuesday, posing a direct challenge to Chinese President Xi Jinping on the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic.



Police fired water cannon and tear gas to try to disperse protesters
throwing petrol bombs outside central government offices in the Admiralty area of Hong Kong island and ordered the evacuation of the Legislative Council building, trashed by activists weeks ago, next door.

In the New Territories town of Sha Tin, police fired tear gas canisters directly at high-rise windows, though it was not clear why, as the Chinese-ruled city was gripped by the most widespread violence in nearly four months of unrest.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china...WF2FC?il=0
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10-02-2019, 01:16 PM
Post: #36
RE: Cop brutally beats and tasers 12 year old
(10-02-2019 09:09 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 09:04 AM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 07:28 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 07:14 AM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 06:17 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  I contrasted the policeman's method with China's method who EY holds up as a bastion of all that is good while constantly bashing the US and the West. Consider it a larger issue than just the policeman picture.

You still haven't anserwed my question; What would you have those police do there instead of using the pepper spray? Pull their guns and shoot? What would you suggest they do instead of using non-lethal pepper spray?

I would have that the police allow those people their "Right to Assemble" clearly they were not presenting a violent threat. And I seem to recall the good people here on this forum even submitted EVIDENCE how the police nefariously planted rabble-rousers into the crowd to give them the necessary excuse to go in and FORCEFULLY remove the PEACEFUL to protesters to satisfy their CORPORATE MastersTongue

The picture you posted took place on a university campus which was private property. You don't have the same rights on private property that you do on public property. They were told to leave and were therefore trespassing and needed to be removed.

Pepper spray is a non-lethal method of removing the protesters. They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes and be unable to complete their degree. Would that be a better approach in your mind?


They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes-----


so they weren't really trespassing then since they were students?

Did the University put out the order to have them removed? If so then also sounds like a "biting the hand which feeds you"

You are trespassing as soon as the property owner tells you to leave. If you are a customer in a store or club and you create a disturbance you can be asked to leave. If you refuse you can then be legally trespassed.
In the case of a bar, they often have boucers which will put you out of the bar physically.

In this case they campus police chose not to arrest or physically touch anyone so they used pepper spray.

You still haven't answered the question. What should they have done instead? Should they have gone into CHYNA mode and just physically captured them and drag them off to a concentration camp?


yes I did answer the question. You did not answer the question when I responded with my own question to ask if the the University requested that these students be removed?
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10-02-2019, 01:29 PM
Post: #37
RE: Cop brutally beats and tasers 12 year old
(10-02-2019 01:16 PM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 09:09 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 09:04 AM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 07:28 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 07:14 AM)karasu Wrote:  I would have that the police allow those people their "Right to Assemble" clearly they were not presenting a violent threat. And I seem to recall the good people here on this forum even submitted EVIDENCE how the police nefariously planted rabble-rousers into the crowd to give them the necessary excuse to go in and FORCEFULLY remove the PEACEFUL to protesters to satisfy their CORPORATE MastersTongue

The picture you posted took place on a university campus which was private property. You don't have the same rights on private property that you do on public property. They were told to leave and were therefore trespassing and needed to be removed.

Pepper spray is a non-lethal method of removing the protesters. They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes and be unable to complete their degree. Would that be a better approach in your mind?


They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes-----


so they weren't really trespassing then since they were students?

Did the University put out the order to have them removed? If so then also sounds like a "biting the hand which feeds you"

You are trespassing as soon as the property owner tells you to leave. If you are a customer in a store or club and you create a disturbance you can be asked to leave. If you refuse you can then be legally trespassed.
In the case of a bar, they often have boucers which will put you out of the bar physically.

In this case they campus police chose not to arrest or physically touch anyone so they used pepper spray.

You still haven't answered the question. What should they have done instead? Should they have gone into CHYNA mode and just physically captured them and drag them off to a concentration camp?


yes I did answer the question. You did not answer the question when I responded with my own question to ask if the the University requested that these students be removed?

I can't say for sure but these where the University Police so I would guess they were acting under University orders.

The thing about this for me is that I've been really bothered with how quickly police turn to their guns when they have so many other tools on their belt. I find pepper spray to be a good alternative to guns.
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10-02-2019, 01:47 PM
Post: #38
RE: Cop brutally beats and tasers 12 year old
(10-02-2019 01:29 PM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 01:16 PM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 09:09 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 09:04 AM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 07:28 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  The picture you posted took place on a university campus which was private property. You don't have the same rights on private property that you do on public property. They were told to leave and were therefore trespassing and needed to be removed.

Pepper spray is a non-lethal method of removing the protesters. They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes and be unable to complete their degree. Would that be a better approach in your mind?


They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes-----


so they weren't really trespassing then since they were students?

Did the University put out the order to have them removed? If so then also sounds like a "biting the hand which feeds you"

You are trespassing as soon as the property owner tells you to leave. If you are a customer in a store or club and you create a disturbance you can be asked to leave. If you refuse you can then be legally trespassed.
In the case of a bar, they often have boucers which will put you out of the bar physically.

In this case they campus police chose not to arrest or physically touch anyone so they used pepper spray.

You still haven't answered the question. What should they have done instead? Should they have gone into CHYNA mode and just physically captured them and drag them off to a concentration camp?


yes I did answer the question. You did not answer the question when I responded with my own question to ask if the the University requested that these students be removed?

I can't say for sure but these where the University Police so I would guess they were acting under University orders.

The thing about this for me is that I've been really bothered with how quickly police turn to their guns when they have so many other tools on their belt. I find pepper spray to be a good alternative to guns.


I always carry pepper-spray but I wouldn't used it just because a group of wingNUTS were wearing MAGA hats and I would just walk in by them and allow them their right to assemble and wear their hats.

I would only ever use my pepper-spray if some rowdy jerk tried to menace me!
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10-02-2019, 01:52 PM
Post: #39
RE: Cop brutally beats and tasers 12 year old
(10-02-2019 01:47 PM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 01:29 PM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 01:16 PM)karasu Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 09:09 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 09:04 AM)karasu Wrote:  They could have arrested and trespassed them which then would mean they could no longer come on campus after that so they would miss their classes-----


so they weren't really trespassing then since they were students?

Did the University put out the order to have them removed? If so then also sounds like a "biting the hand which feeds you"

You are trespassing as soon as the property owner tells you to leave. If you are a customer in a store or club and you create a disturbance you can be asked to leave. If you refuse you can then be legally trespassed.
In the case of a bar, they often have boucers which will put you out of the bar physically.

In this case they campus police chose not to arrest or physically touch anyone so they used pepper spray.

You still haven't answered the question. What should they have done instead? Should they have gone into CHYNA mode and just physically captured them and drag them off to a concentration camp?


yes I did answer the question. You did not answer the question when I responded with my own question to ask if the the University requested that these students be removed?

I can't say for sure but these where the University Police so I would guess they were acting under University orders.

The thing about this for me is that I've been really bothered with how quickly police turn to their guns when they have so many other tools on their belt. I find pepper spray to be a good alternative to guns.


I always carry pepper-spray but I wouldn't used it just because a group of wingNUTS were wearing MAGA hats and I would just walk in by them and allow them their right to assemble and wear their hats.

I would only ever use my pepper-spray if some rowdy jerk tried to menace me!

Stay ready always.

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10-02-2019, 05:29 PM
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RE: Cop brutally beats and tasers 12 year old
to be fair though.. the cops in the US are lot less gung ho about killing after BLM



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