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06-24-2017, 01:17 AM (This post was last modified: 06-24-2017 01:18 AM by pilgrim.)
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Actually I have perused this thread several times in the past. Your mistake is thinking this thread is the end all of information on the war in Syria. There is a lot of good information available on the internet.

I also have another view on things that is based on a biblical outlook. The same thing with other areas of the middle east and around the world. A lot of what is happening is starting to fit into prophecies in the bible and are worth noting. There is a lot to learn and this thread is not the only place to learn things. Keep an open mind. You have only yourself to blame for your ignorance.
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06-24-2017, 01:31 AM
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(06-24-2017 01:17 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  Actually I have perused this thread several times in the past. Your mistake is thinking this thread is the end all of information on the war in Syria. There is a lot of good information available on the internet.

I also have another view on things that is based on a biblical outlook. The same thing with other areas of the middle east and around the world. A lot of what is happening is starting to fit into prophecies in the bible and are worth noting. There is a lot to learn and this thread is not the only place to learn things. Keep an open mind. You have only yourself to blame for your ignorance.

Skimming a thread of this volume is simply not the same as actually reading it.

You don't get an accurate view with cliff notes.

Post your thoughts and the evidence that backs up your views.

Otherwise, you are merely asserting that the info in this thread is biased (and therefore unreliable) without really examining said info, and without providing anything that supports your assertion.

I guess it didn't matter whether we elected Clinton or Trump.
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06-24-2017, 01:34 AM
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Why don't you just post what you want and ignore me. We aren't going to be able to have a real dialogue. Peace.
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06-24-2017, 02:00 AM
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(06-24-2017 01:34 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  Why don't you just post what you want and ignore me. We aren't going to be able to have a real dialogue. Peace.

Why don't you actually review the mountain of information on this thread instead of writing it off out of hand?

I guess it didn't matter whether we elected Clinton or Trump.
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07-20-2017, 01:43 PM
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Quote:Trump ends CIA program to arm, train anti-Assad rebels in Syria: U.S. officials

The Trump administration has decided to halt the CIA’s covert program to equip and train certain rebel groups fighting the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, two U.S. officials said, a move sought by Assad ally Russia.

The U.S. decision, said one of the officials, is part of an effort by the administration to improve relations with Russia, which along with Iranian-supported groups has largely succeeded in preserving Assad’s government in the six-year-civil war.

The CIA program began in 2013 as part of efforts by the administration of then-President Barack Obama to overthrow Assad, but produced little success, said the officials, both of whom are familiar with the program and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The Washington Post was first to report the program’s suspension on Wednesday. White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders declined to comment on the topic at the White House briefing.

The CIA also declined to comment.

The decision was made with National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster and CIA Director Mike Pompeo after they consulted with lower ranking officials and before Trump’s July 7 meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the G20 summit in Germany. It was not part of U.S.-Russian negotiations on a ceasefire in southwestern Syria, the two officials said.

One of the officials said the United States was not making a major concession, given Assad’s grip on power, although not on all of Syria, “but it’s a signal to Putin that the administration wants to improve ties to Russia.”

Trump is under intense scrutiny by Congress and a special counsel investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and whether Trump’s campaign had ties to the activity. Russia has denied U.S. intelligence agencies’ allegations of Moscow meddling, and Trump has denied collusion between his campaign and Russians.

A downside of the CIA program, one of the officials said, is that some armed and trained rebels defected to Islamic State and other radical groups, and some members of the previous administration favoured abandoning the program.

Before assuming office in January, Trump suggested he could end support for Free Syrian Army groups and give priority to the fight against Islamic State.

A separate effort by the U.S. military effort to train, arm and support other Syrian rebel groups with air strikes and other actions will continue, the officials said.

However, aside from air strikes after the Syrian military launched a chemical weapons attack, the Trump administration has not increased military support from the limits set by the Obama administration.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor...e35743136/

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07-20-2017, 05:38 PM
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Quote:Turkey Leaks Secret Locations of U.S. Troops in Syria

Ankara has long been angered by the alliance between Washington and Kurdish factions. But a new report exposing secret American bases is a dangerous way to strike back.

In the latest display of Turkish anger at U.S. policy in Syria, the state news agency has divulged the locations of 10 U.S. military bases and outposts in northern Syria where the U.S. is leading an operation to destroy the so-called Islamic State in its self-styled capital of Raqqa.

The list published by the Anadolu news agency points to a U.S. presence from one end to the other of the Kurdish self-administration region—a distance of more than 200 miles. The Anadolu news agency even listed the number of U.S. troops in several locations and in two instances stipulated the presence of French special forces.
Turkey has openly criticized the Trump administration—and the Obama administration before it—for relying in the battle against ISIS on a militia led by Kurds affiliated with the Kurdistan Workers Party or PKK. A separatist movement now at war with Turkey, the PKK has been listed by the U.S., EU, and Turkey as a terror organization.

To avoid the appearance of allying with such a group, the U.S. military set up the Syrian Democratic Forces, which have a large component of Arab recruits. But they are led by officers from the People’s Protection Units (YPG), the Syrian affiliate of the PKK.
Although Turkey’s powerful president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, regularly vents his anger at the U.S., it is still highly unusual for a NATO ally to reveal details of a U.S. military deployment during active operations in a war zone. But the U.S. operation in Syria is in many respects an unusual case. Not only is the United States acting against the express wishes of NATO ally Turkey, which says its national security is directly endangered, it’s also operating without the permission of the Assad regime.

After a meeting Monday evening, Turkey’s National Security Council charged that weapons provided to the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia had come into the possession of the PKK. “This shows that both are the same organization,” it said, adding that other countries were using a “double standard” for terror groups, an apparent reference to the U.S. alliance with the YPG militia.

The U.S. has denied repeatedly that arms it is supplying to the Kurdish fighters have seeped into the PKK war against the Turkish state, and the Turkish government did not back up its allegations with evidence.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/turkey-leak...s-in-syria
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07-20-2017, 05:42 PM
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Quote:US Armored Vehicles Pouring Into Syrian Kurdish Territory

Officials: Vehicles Aren't Part of Aid to Kurdish YPG

A growing number of videos and pictures released in the past week show large numbers of US armored vehicles being delivered into Syrian Kurdistan, suggesting a massive escalation in the positioning of US military assets in the country.

Officials insist that the vehicles shown in the videos are not in any way part of US military aid being provided to the Kurdish YPG, suggesting that the US is deploying the vehicles there with the intention of American troops using them.

This must inevitably raise questions about whether this undeniably substantial vehicle surge into Syrian Kurdistan portends a major new deployment of US ground troops into the area to operate them. That these are armored vehicles also suggests further loosening of the US “non-combat” claims.

Unfortunately, we may not get a definitive answer about more US ground deployments, as the Pentagon has made it a matter of policy not to offer specific US troop levels in either Iraq or Syria, a decision that was made after months of overtly lying about troop levels in Iraq to pretend they hadn’t exceeded negotiated caps.

http://news.antiwar.com/2017/07/19/us-ar...territory/
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07-20-2017, 06:04 PM (This post was last modified: 07-20-2017 06:04 PM by Rako.)
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(06-24-2017 01:17 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  Actually I have perused this thread several times in the past. Your mistake is thinking this thread is the end all of information on the war in Syria. There is a lot of good information available on the internet.

I also have another view on things that is based on a biblical outlook. The same thing with other areas of the middle east and around the world. A lot of what is happening is starting to fit into prophecies in the bible and are worth noting. There is a lot to learn and this thread is not the only place to learn things. Keep an open mind. You have only yourself to blame for your ignorance.
Just remember that now since this civil war started, Christians are getting crucified, beheaded, and forced into a life of sex slavery in Syria due to the "Freedom Fighter" Wahhabi headcutters.

Yes, Assad was an authoritarian president like a lot of Asian leaders, and the country needed a democratic overhaul, but still he kept the country stable and secular without mass persecution of Christians.

You need to see what the Wahhabi "Freedom Fighters" are doing to Christians or else your "Christianity" is really a smokescreen covering up for these mass killings of real Christians. A smokescreen and an "outlook" that in practice supports the persecuting forces cannot be called "Biblical" any more than the Assyrian and Babylonian conquerors of ancient Israel had a "Biblical outlook".
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07-25-2017, 05:35 PM
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Syria after ISIS: U.S. on 'collision course' with Iran and Russia
https://www.axios.com/what-happens-after...72783.html

Quote:The U.S. is on a "collision course" with Iran and Russia in a key territory of Syria once the battle to root ISIS out of its de-facto capital, Raqqa, is complete, per Anne Barnard of the NY Times.
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The Pentagon told Axios "the Coalition is not seeking to claim land or conquer territory...does not seek to fight the Syrian regime, Russian or pro-regime forces...but is well prepared to defend itself from hostile threats."
So "the Coalition" is illegally supporting rebels and is prepared to fight the government if it tries to take control again over its own territory?
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07-26-2017, 12:10 AM
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Former Marine Intelligence Officer and former UN Chief Weapons Inspector for Iraq, Scott Ritter, joins the Liberty Report today to explain why in his vast intelligence and WMD experience he believes the "Russia hacking" US Intel Report is bogus and why the "Assad used gas" conventional wisdom is just more fake news. Ritter's expertise sheds much-welcome actual light onto these two vexing issues, where so much empty speculation seems to drive the thinking.



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07-26-2017, 06:35 AM
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(07-25-2017 05:35 PM)Rako Wrote:  Syria after ISIS: U.S. on 'collision course' with Iran and Russia
https://www.axios.com/what-happens-after...72783.html

Quote:The U.S. is on a "collision course" with Iran and Russia in a key territory of Syria once the battle to root ISIS out of its de-facto capital, Raqqa, is complete, per Anne Barnard of the NY Times.
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The Pentagon told Axios "the Coalition is not seeking to claim land or conquer territory...does not seek to fight the Syrian regime, Russian or pro-regime forces...but is well prepared to defend itself from hostile threats."
So "the Coalition" is illegally supporting rebels and is prepared to fight the government if it tries to take control again over its own territory?

So coalition forces are looking to defend Syrian ground from Syria. That makes sense. Strong position.

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08-01-2017, 01:05 PM
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Interesting article. The Syriac Christians are convinced they're paying for the sins of their ancestors.


Quote:Christian Genocide in Syria: An Interview with Yasmine from Damascus


While mainstream media spends countless hours covering story after story of fictitious chemical weapons allegations against the Syrian Arab Army and tries to demonize the democratically elected President Dr. Bashar Al Assad and his wife they spend little to no time covering important stories that should receive at least some airtime. One such issue is the Christian genocide currently taking place in the Middle East and particularly in Syria during this imposed war and invasion.

We have been bombarded with lies and propaganda in mainstream and social media which have fueled this 6+ year war. Tomorrow marks the 6 year anniversary of this war which was planned as early as 1949 by the US. The CIA admits orchestrating Syrian Coup of March 1949 HERE. This was just the first attempt of many to destabilize Syria by the USA

In order to fully understand an important aspect of this war that affects religious minorities in Syria, it’s best to hear directly from those who have been persecuted based on their faith. One particular religious minority will be the focus of this article. This minority, in particular, has not faired well and has been subjected to heinous crimes against humanity and persecution throughout this war is Christianity. Christians are being targeted based solely on their faith. Effectively, a Christian Genocide is currently taking place in Syria by the various armed terrorist groups, it’s best to hear directly from Christians in Syria that have been living this reality for over six years now. This is not to imply that Christians are the only minority that have been targeted, other minorities have been covered in other articles.

Alawites, Yezidis, Shia, have also dealt with their fair share of turmoil one such example was the Adra Massacre where victims were thrown into the local bakery ovens and burnt alive. Sunni’s have been massacred as well. The anti-Islamic terrorist factions have terrorized everyone at some point but the false allegation that Sunni’s have been targeted more so than the minorities is one without merit and meant to demonize the Shi’a dominated military factions especially those from Iran and Hezbollah from Lebanon.

Original article was published on Mint Press on 3/15/17, News of the Greek Diaspora on 3/18/17, Fort Russ on 3/18/2017, Friends of Syria on 3/27/2017 written by Sarah Abed

In order to fully understand the Christian Genocide currently taking place in Syria by the various armed terrorist groups, it’s best to hear directly from Christians in Syria that have been living this reality for over six years now. One can only imagine what life must be like for all Syrians at this time and specifically those that are targeted based on their faith. Yasmine agreed to do an interview where she shares her insights on this topic, from Damascus where she has resided most of her life. She is one of the Syrian voices that are part of the “Syrians Speak Out” series that will take us on a journey to discover the truth during the war in Syria, that I wrote for Mint Press News.

Yasmine is an engineer who then went on to get her Masters in Business Administration (MBA) and resides in Damascus the oldest city to be continuously inhabited in the world.

Yasmine is Aramean Syriac Orthodox originally from Al Qamishly in the North East of Syria but grew up in Damascus. Damascus is nicknamed the City of Jasmine (Yasmin in Arabic). Yasmine contacted me on Facebook recently after reading my articles and posts. We discussed the situation there and her frustration with the lies being reported. I asked if she would want to tell her story, she eagerly agreed. Shortly after our talk, her Facebook account was blocked and she hasn’t been able to come back on Facebook since then. Also, oddly enough only my messages are visible from our conversation.

A few days ago her friend reached out to me and asked for my email and she sent me “Memoir of a Syrian girl” detailing her experience living in Damascus before and during the war. I will be putting that in a separate article. I asked her since she is a Christian in Syria if she would be willing to answer some questions and she agreed. The questions were created in collaboration with my friend Mark Taliano a retired teacher who contributes to Global Research and visited Syria in 2016. Mark is also passionate about spreading the truth about Syria and we have worked on previous articles for Global Research. He wrote about his experience in Voices from Syria an e-book.

Yasmine’s answers have not been modified except that she did send me a follow-up email asking if she could add more information to her previous answers. Her answers have been updated in this article, to reflect these additions. What a pleasure it is to hear from real people who are not paid to spread propaganda like Lina AlShamy, Bana Alabed, Bilal Abdul Kareem who were the cast of actors that put on quite a show during Aleppo’s liberation which they turned 180 degrees into #Aleppocaust.

Interview with Yasmine regarding the Christian genocide in Syria:

Sarah: When the West’s terrorist proxies slaughter and commit genocide against the indigenous Christian population, as they did, for example, in Kessab, Syria, are they attempting to “erase history”?

Yasmine: Not only history, when Wahhabists started in KSA they destroyed everything that has relation to history, even the grave of the prophet is destroyed, they do not care for it, in Afghanistan they destroyed statues that were thousands of years old, they are a destruction machine of everything that has to do with civilization.

Sarah: When Western terrorists occupy towns like Maloula, Syria, and destroy Christian religious icons is this an attempt to erase history?

Yasmine: They want to destroy the history and Christianity, Christians were always targeted by those radicals, it is their ideology to not accept any one who is different.

Sarah: When the Western terrorists target Muslim and/or Christian communities, are they, or their Imperial masters, attempting to destroy the country by creating sectarian warfare?

Yasmine: Of course, the sectarian warfare serves the agenda, it was the plan for the Middle East to be in perpetual state of chaos, which in the days of Bush Jr was called the creative chaos or constructive chaos, this chaos serves Israel.

Sarah: Are the imperialists attempting to create warring ethnic and/or religious enclaves?

Yasmine: Of course, it is their target, religion is the opium of nations, it is the method to lead the whole destruction game.

Sarah: Are the Empire’s divide and conquer strategies in Syria working, or does most of the Syrian population remain unified?

Yasmine: There must have been some who sympathize with Wahhabists, and these will never seize to exist unless the world fights the source of them, the sources of Wahhabist ideology are in Egypt and KSA, and unless they are totally fought, they will always have followers around the world. Another thing, to be honest, a government like Bashar Assad was able to protect us from those extremists, also in the days of Hafez Assad, we were protected. If people like to name him a dictator go ahead, but please do not tell me the West is protecting us. Hafez Assad was protecting us, Bashar Assad is protecting us. One thing leads to the other, I wanted to say the sources of terrorists should be dried up, and the rest of the Syrians are able to live with each other, we were always able to live together. Whereas the West and its proxies support the dogma of the House Of Saud and Wahhabism, they are condemning Christians to death and genocide.

Sarah: If populations in the United States or Canada, for example, were aware of this, would they accept the truth? Would they act on it by contacting their churches and their political representatives?

Yasmine: I do trust the people, but never trust their governments. After six years of government change/dirty war against Syria, is ignorance of the truth still a viable excuse? It is a shame to say that there are people who do not know that there are Wahhabists sheikhs leading the blind people like a herd towards the destruction of the whole area, for the interests of a small party.

Sarah: When the West closed embassies and blocked diplomatic channels in Syria, were they doing this with the intent of hiding their crimes?

Yasmine: It did not hide their crimes, it showed their crimes, if they really had the intention to help the Syrians, they would have kept the doors of their embassies open, so they keep their eye on the status in Syria. So that they can see the truth, and they can help, but their intention was to destroy the country to move on to the next step. So they closed their doors and left.

Sarah: To what degree are the West’s lies about Syria a danger to Christians living in Syria?

Yasmine: The continuous lies of the West were the cause of huge damage to the Christians, not only in Syria, but in the whole Middle East area.

Yasmine continues …

1- The Crusades: Till now some ignorant people think that Christians of the ME are an extension to the Western Christians, so we are always accused of what Europeans did in the old days, so they say not only Wahhabists are criminals, you did this and that in the past. Especially when referring to when Europeans built fellow kingdoms in the ME.

2- The Christian mercenaries: In the days of Sultan Abdul Hamid the Wali of the Ottoman State, Muslims were objecting to the activities of the Christian mercenaries coming from EU, but back then he said they promised me not to convert a single Muslim to Christianity, they only want to convert Orthodox to Catholic or Protestant, to make Christians into smaller groups to make it easier to get rid of them. So when the genocides started, the Ottoman soldiers claimed only killing Catholics because they have relationships with the West, but the killing went on till they killed millions of all the Christian groups.

3- In the first world war, when the West wanted to divide Iraq into two states, under the supervision of Britain, the Assyrians (Ashouriyien) demanded to have a state for them since they are the original inhabitants of the country, and it is their history, but the Zionist lobby interfered back then and prevented the Assyrians from having their own country. We know it is the revenge of the Jews against Assyrians because of the Babylonian captivity, it is their eternal hate. The West puts the Zionist agenda above the whole world, even above their own people. We know the history, we lived it, our parents lived it, we can never trust the West.


Sarah: If the West were to succeed in installing an al Qaeda/ISIS stooge government in Syria, would Christians be completely cleansed from Syria?

Yasmine: We will have to pay aljizia (a tax), they would take our women as slaves, or we would be forced to convert to their Islam, or just die. Actually, this happened in Iraq to one of my relatives, they were attacked by a group of terrorists and were told that they either convert to Islam or get killed or they leave immediately, so the family chose to leave immediately, they were not allowed to carry anything with them, only their identities. I imagine we will be the same.

Yasmine adds: I wanted to add something for the questions, for now, we are all sure that explosions in Qamishli are done by Kurds, they want to take over the area and I think it is strange that the government didn’t consider to protect Christians.

As for the government, I think they have done what they can to protect Syrian’s, although that might have been enough depending on who you ask. Christian militias were armed in the Al Hassakah governorate by the Syrian Arab Army so that they can protect their own communities such as Sotooro. While other Christian militia groups joined the Kurdish-led US-funded SDF.

I think many of us can agree that this bloody war in Syria needs to end before we see a complete cleansing of the indigenous people of this historically rich country. This is something that all of us should be very concerned with regardless of our religions before it is too late. This genocide needs to end now. This war needs to end. All death and destruction needs to end in Syria, and around the world.

Note: Yasmine is an alias we will be using for the interviewee to protect her identity.





















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08-02-2017, 01:07 PM
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Say Goodbye to Regime Change in Syria
Posted on July 24, 2017
Trump’s decision to stop sending arms to rebels alters everything.

Throwing a Curveball at ‘Intelligence Community Consensus’ on Russia
Posted on July 12, 2017
Definitive assessment was not what it proclaimed to be.

Ex-Weapons Inspector: Trump’s Sarin Claims Built on ‘Lie’
Posted on June 29, 2017
Scott Ritter takes on White House Syria attack claims.


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08-02-2017, 03:16 PM
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Independent Kurdistan would be ‘good partner for America,’ Kurdish officials say
By SETH ROBSON | STARS AND STRIPES Published: July 27, 2017
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