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04-12-2013, 03:25 PM
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It's crazy. They are destroying their own heritage using western funds and support.

Quote:Peculiar isn't it, that he got himself elected, and then re-elected after starting two wars, playing a buffoon.

yes. it was a conscious strategy. When I saw his interview after his term finished... he was articulate and intelligent.

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04-12-2013, 03:28 PM (This post was last modified: 04-12-2013 03:28 PM by Cool Hand Vutu.)
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(04-12-2013 03:24 PM)Hellfire Awaits Wrote:  Jesus christ i hate neoconservatives with every fiber of my being.





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America is only united at times they are pulled together by illegal moronic wars on the other side of the planet.

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04-12-2013, 03:38 PM (This post was last modified: 04-12-2013 04:10 PM by Megatherium.)
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(04-12-2013 03:28 PM)HYUNG Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 03:24 PM)Hellfire Awaits Wrote:  Jesus christ i hate neoconservatives with every fiber of my being.





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Neoncons are the glue that hold your adopted country together you ungrateful migrant bastard!
America is only united at times they are pulled together by illegal moronic wars on the other side of the planet.

If you dont like it fuck off back to Korea Ke-Seki

The only instance when one of these wars failed was Viet Nam and it failed due to the informed dissent of the American people. Their answer to this was to stop broadcasting and printing real news in the United states about 40 years ago.

You would be disgusted to see what constitutes 'news' in an American newscast today. It's quite scary. They have deliberately cultivated a know-nothing culture.


"Thank God for Russia, without Russia we'd be doomed." "Look what happened in Iraq and now in Egypt."

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04-12-2013, 04:10 PM
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^ well since the Us heads the global empire, the populace, mostly being naive and kind hearted.. cannot know how it really works. they wouldn't agree to it.

the avg. american is truly very very uninformed on a lot of issues.

most political talk today consists of repeating statements and talking points made by bill Maher or o'reilly. David Icke calls them 'repeaters'

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04-12-2013, 04:15 PM
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Yeah well Australian News is re-badged CBS Fox type crap.

I fucking hate it. EY is where I get my leads from.
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04-12-2013, 06:43 PM
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Dude I don't even have US citizenship.

I do have permanent residency, however, and I don't even know how long I will use it. I think of myself as Galt without the tranny sex and toking.




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04-12-2013, 09:26 PM (This post was last modified: 04-12-2013 09:47 PM by BRIC Countries.)
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http://rt.com/op-edge/daraa-pastor-barack-obama/

Daraa pastor to Barack Obama: “Come and see for yourself”


Published time: July 22, 2011 18:38

Syrian pastor Sameeh Saddi and his family live in a church in Daraa, a city on the Jordanian border where the unrest began in the spring of 2011.

“One time, a US pastor came here to attend a Christian conference. He told us there were 13,000 people praying for him at home because they knew he was in a dangerous land. But after he spent a few days in Syria, he wrote to his congregation, telling them not to pray about his trip any longer as if it were a perilous journey. He told them there was no danger for Christians in Syria," Saddi says. “But that was before the unrest. Now everybody is in danger, both Christians and Muslims. But danger doesn’t come from the Syrian government, or the army, or the police. It comes from those who stage the riots. When US officials claim that the Syrian leadership has lost its legitimacy, they jeopardize us in Syria, Christians and Muslims alike. The army is protecting us – I mean all Syrians, not just Christians.”

There are no police officers posted around the church yet but Syrian Christians know all too well how insecure their fellow-believers feel in neighboring Iraq since the United States invaded the country.

“Christians are in danger there now, and this is all because the US occupied Iraq, not because of the Muslims, as the media claim. Before the occupation, Christians lived there in peace but now they are all looking for an opportunity to move elsewhere,” the pastor says.

He points to the pews and shows me the Bibles, the New Testaments and prayer books in Arabic and headscarves women wear during prayer.

“Protestant churches first came to the Middle East 200 years ago. Our church was built 70 years ago. We have 20 families in our congregation, with 60-70 people attending church services. Muslims are free to visit. We also have big evangelical congregations in several villages in the area. There are a total of six churches in the Daraa governorate, and there are many more people attending services in the country than here in the city,” Saddi says.

He describes how the local authorities help Christians build churches and houses for pastors and their families. He lives in a building which used to accommodate Daraa’s first evangelical church. After the church moved into a new building, the old one was converted into the pastor’s residence.

“Just like Muslims, we Christians don’t have to pay for utilities. The government has built us the churches and exempted us from taxes. We have an orphanage for 24 children. We would’ve been unable to do all that without government support.”

When the unrest first broke out, the global media and some officials in Syria accused Salafi Muslims of inciting the riots. Pastor Saddi thinks that Islamic movements pose no threat whatsoever. He says muftis have appealed to everybody to avoid labeling specific groups of Muslims as extremists. The pastor agrees that the threat does not come from Islam. It comes from those who want to weaken Syria.

The pastor describes the day-to-day realities of peaceful co-existence between Syria’s Christians and Muslims: “We greet each other on holidays. We pay visits to each other. On Sundays, our neighbors try not to make noise, and keep their music down. When I go down the street, and people see a Christian coming, they always say hello.”

I can personally testify to that. While I was at Pastor Saddi’s church, all of the Muslims that came to see him would exchange a triple kiss on the cheek with the pastor.

The pastor’s repeated invectives against American pressure on Syria prompt me to suggest that he should address the US administration directly and voice a message for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Here is what the pastor has to say to the powers that be in Washington:

“You are not calling for peace. You are too far away, and you don’t have a full picture of what is happening in Syria. We all live peacefully side by side here, like the good neighbors that we are. You see everything the way your media describes it for you. Why don’t you come to Syria and see for yourself? Yes, there are protest groups here, and they have their demands. Bashar al-Assad has said he considers these demands feasible. But we don’t welcome destruction. Our country has embarked on the path of reform. President Assad is pursuing change.”

Watch pastor Sameeh Saddi speak about the situation in Syria


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The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.

http://rt.com/op-edge/syria-church-luke-attack-868/

Outsiders are killing Syrian People, destroying Churches and mosques - Christian Bishop

Nadezhda Kevorkova is a war correspondent who has covered the events of the Arab Spring, military and religious conflicts around the world, and the anti-globalization movement.

March 26, 2013 15:14

"A person who has no homeland is nothing", says Orthodox Metropolitan Bishop Luke, an Arab Born in Syria.

His forefathers were Orthodox Christians long before Islam came to this land. We are talking in the Maronite Cathedral in the Old City of Damascus.On October 21, 2012, a car bomb exploded here in the Christian neighbourhood near Bab Tuma gate, killing 13 people. The explosion happened during the UN and Arab League envoy Lakhdar Brahimi's visit to Syria. Just like during Obama's visit to the Middle East a suicide bomber killed a prominent Sunni preacher Mohammad al-Buti and his students at the Eman Mosque on March 21.The Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch was created two thousand years ago, and is the largest and the most ancient Christian church in the East. All its adherents are Syrian Arabs. The Cathedral was built in the first century AD. Parishes of the Patriarchate can be found all over the world - in the US, South America, Australia, and Europe.

Metropolitan Luke is Speaking Arabic, using the usual Muslim expressions, such as "insha'Allah", Which Means "God willing";"ziyarat", Which stands for "a pilgrimage to Holy Site", " Alhamdulillah ", Meaning " to praise God". He Greets People with "as-Salam alaykum" and calls the Muslims HIS Brothers. Metropolitan Luke is the Patriarch's right hand. His area of Responsibility is the Cathedrals of Saidnaya and Maaloula, which have one of the oldest icons in the world. Removing your shoes before entering these cathedrals is a must, just like in a mosque. But it's impossible to get to them now.

Metropolitan Luka

"Our culture implies no intolerance towards Islam. It's the basic principle of our relations. We call Muslims our cousins," says Metropolitan Luke. It's the Orthodox Lent - the time to offer the most sincere prayers of absolution.

Nadezhda Kevorkova: Do you think that the events in Syria are a sign of God's wrath?

Bishop Luke: I do not think so. God is love. This is the Holy Land. Saul was christened and took the name Paul here. The burial-place of John the Baptist is here. Ananias lived here, as well as John Damascene. How could God be angry at the believers? And if God is angry, is he really God? What's been happening here is in no way connected to faith. If we are being killed by the outsiders, it doesn't mean that God is angry at us. In our holy country people believe in God, and that's why they want to destroy us. This crime was initiated from outside Syria. Now that Lent has begun we say prayers every day. We are under attack, all of the Syrian people. These people say they act with Syrian people's best interests at heart, but it's not true. We are the Syrian people, and they have been sent to our country from the outside.

NK: Do the militants target Orthodox Churches?

BL: They kill people. They do not care about people, about human lives. And that's more important than churches and cathedrals, because if there are no people, there's no need for cathedrals. They do not care about having killed hundreds of our people, let alone destroying churches or mosques. Our churches have been attacked in all provinces. In Saidnaya the monastery was under fire, but, thank God, a miracle happened - the shell landed in the yard, breaking through the wall, but didn't explode. It broke in two, with all the gunpowder in one half of it. If not for this miracle, the shell would've killed 30 orphan girls. I've been there and saw everything. Everywhere - in Harasta, Arbin, Zabadani, Daraa, Aleppo, and around Damascus - our churches and our people have been attacked. They are suffering. Our cathedral in Raqqa has been severely damaged. These outlaws assault parishioners, kidnap and kill priests. Father Fadi Haddad from Qatana was kidnapped and killed when he attempted to rescue his people. They tortured him and killed him. The same happened in Hama. Currently we're trying to rescue the two priests that remain abducted.

Metropolitan Luka

NK: Why do the militants resent Christians so much? Is it because they serve in the army?

BL: There are people from different communities serving in the Army, all of them citizens of one country. If you look around, you'll see that young Muslims protect the territory of this cathedral and our other churches.

NK: Are there any Orthodox Christians in the Opposition?

BL: There are none among the militants. There are two Christians in the National Council in Istanbul, but neither of them has the conscience or moral values of a Christian. One of them, Michel Kilo, has no idea what a church is. Same goes for George Sabra. These are the leaders of the militants who open fire in Christian neighbourhoods and kill priests. Our young generation and the Muslims fight them together. We are ready to die to defend our country and our people.

NK: Do Orthodox Christians participate in providing aid?

BL: We have experience in that area, and we set up a special office for that a long time ago, when half a million Iraqi refugees came to Syria after the invasion began in 2003. We work hard to send the refugees food and clothes. At the moment Homs is the place that needs it more than any other.

Damages are seen inside a church in the city of Homs.(Reuters / Yazan Homsy)

NK: The grave of Abel, killed by Cain, is in a Mosque in Syria. Are Christians allowed access to it?

BL: This shrine is taken care of by Muslims. Muslims and Christians in Syria are equal in their rights, including the right to pray. We are on the same terms in our country, and we can pray all over Syria, at any sanctuaries. The Umayyad Mosque, which houses a shrine that contains the head of John the Baptist, can be freely attended by Christians, so Orthodox believers go there to pray, although there are no liturgies held there.

There is a minaret right in front of the cathedral - it was erected as a token of Christians' welcoming Muslims in Damascus. This minaret symbolizes peace between us and therefore is called white. All Orthodox holidays, as well as Islamic ones are for everybody - we are used to facilitating each other on them.

NK: What are the sentiments within the parishes of the Patriarchate of Antioch in the USA, Canada and Australia?

BL: Metropolitan Philip Heads the parishes there. He is even a bigger patriot of Syria than I am. He works in the best interests of the whole community - the whole Church of Syria. The Supreme Mufti and I were supposed to pay a visit to the USA, but unfortunately he was denied a visa. To express solidarity for him, I decided to call off the trip. There surely can be a couple of people in any parish abroad who have their own views of the situation in Syria. But overall, there are mainly Syrian patriots within the Patriarchate of Antioch all over the world.

NK: Is there any pressure exerted on the parishes abroad attempting them towards the position of the West on Syria?

BL: There hasn't been any direct Political pressure so far. But there is pressure and a threat of attack by supporters of the Syrian opposition. Some of our parishioners were beaten. Our female Honorary Consul in Montreal was attacked - her chemist's shop was raided and her husband was beaten. Another attack was on a restaurant owner in Ottawa - for his involvement with the Syrian diaspora.

An interior view of a damaged church in the city of Homs.(Reuters / Yazan Homsy)


NK: The ancient city of Antioch is now occupied by Turkey, all the cathedrals and sanctuaries are torn away from Syria and now belong to Turkey and are called Antakya, which is a Turkish province. How does the Church look at this?

BL: I am among the leaders of the campaign for returning Antioch to Syria. Muslims take part in this campaign, too. I really hope we will get it back. We do believe that we will manage to overcome these hardships and will not only return Antioch but will get back other territories to Syria as well. Damascus is running Antioch's cathedrals. Turkish culture is fostered in Arab kids in Turkey from early childhood. They face difficulties in terms of language, studying and praying - children speak Turkish and don't have a command of the language, in which divine service is performed. Basically there is no Orthodoxy in Turkey left, neither are there any cathedrals, sanctuaries or Christians. Russia is the only stronghold of Orthodoxy left.

NK: How do you Keep in Contact with this Part of the Church, Given the War and Turkey's Involvement with it?

BL: Our patriarch's Metropolitan Pavel Brother serves in Aleppo. The Church commissioned him to go to Antakya on a regular basis and pray there.

NK: Are there any Orthodox Palestinians in your Church?

BL: Yes, there are some among our parishioners. We also have two Palestinian priests in Beirut.

NK: Can Orthodox believers of Syria go to Jerusalem and Bethlehem as they used to do two thousand years before the establishment of Israel?

The Armenian St. Kevork Church (Saint George) is seen in the northern Syrian city of Aleppo.(AFP Photo / STR)

BL: We would love to be able to visit our shrines, but we as Christians do not feel like entering the occupied territories. Not a single Syrian priest has ever gone on pilgrimage since 1967. These Lands are oppressed by occupation.

NK: The Holy Fire that is lit on Easter's eve has been brought by pilgrims from the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem to all Orthodox Churches for centuries. Is it brought to Antioch Church as well?

BL: Earlier it was brought to us via Jordan, but we haven't had such an opportunity during the past two years - pilgrims fail to bring the Holy Fire to us.


Nadezhda Kevorkova, Damascus

The Armenian St. Kevork Church (Saint George) is seen in the northern Syrian city of Aleppo.(AFP Photo / STR)
The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.











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04-12-2013, 10:24 PM (This post was last modified: 04-12-2013 10:41 PM by Megatherium.)
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Appreciate the info my friend. How the western allies actually let the Turks have the ancient Syrian city of Antioch, with all that it means to Orthodox Christianity, with the worlds oldest church. Mind boggling.

I guess Lebanon better prepare for those half million Iraqi refugees that Syria now looks after, and probably another half million Syrians.

And then get ready for the inevitable.
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04-12-2013, 10:47 PM
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These Sunni extremist fucks are going to eat Syria alive, and the US government is going to help them any way they can.

So disgusted with the stupidity of the Obama administration atm.


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04-12-2013, 11:39 PM
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great information. So sad.

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04-13-2013, 12:00 AM
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You have to stick up for groups and their rights.. because your group could be next.

Making Christians an acceptable target sets a very dangerous precedent.

the DOD just named Christians one of the top extremist threats in the US.

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04-13-2013, 12:16 AM
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Gonna check this out later when I can read all of the articles.

As for the manual workers, they will be discouraged from serious thought.....As soon as working hours are over, amusements will be provided.....to prevent any thoughts of discontent which otherwise might cloud their happiness.
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04-13-2013, 10:09 AM
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Essentially it's an internationally financed civil war in which a secular government and the majority of the populace is pitted against rural Sunni Islamists armed, trained and financed by neighboring Sunni states and with the help of big daddy America.

The Syrian Army takes an area, but has to leave it almost right away to go chase the rebels somewhere else, it's very similar to the US army in Iraq.

The government needs to develop better anti-insurgency military tactics, and with the help of Hezbollah I believe they are doing just that.
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04-13-2013, 04:14 PM
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The little Aramean village of Ma'loula in Syria is the last to preserve the language of Jesus, Western Aramaic. But for how long?



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04-13-2013, 04:26 PM
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(04-12-2013 06:43 PM)Hellfire Awaits Wrote:  Dude I don't even have US citizenship.

I do have permanent residency, however, and I don't even know how long I will use it. I think of myself as Galt without the tranny sex and toking.




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