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Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
02-02-2015, 11:01 AM
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RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
(02-02-2015 06:55 AM)Rako Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 05:44 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  Black glove - Christian Cross.

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white and black gloves are very fishy. symmetrical cross is fishy too. dude goes over the top with anti-jewish trolling too.
You realize "Br." Kaplan is not wearing a real monk's habit?
I dont know what the pink things are for either on his belt.
First, "Br." Nathanael went into a small breakaway "Orthodox" church and began as a "novice" (ie probational beginner) monk. He then dropped out of monasticism and joined the "official" Orthodox church. So he isn't a monk, but he holds himself out as one.

Second, his official church has officially banned him from his "political" work, but he does it anyway.

Third, he has openly supported white racial nationalism, which is anti-Christian.

Fourth, he claims that he wears the gloves to represent Jesus on the right and Satan on the left. But only the ideology I know of that strongly associates the left hand with blackness and badness, and the right hand with whiteness and goodness is the occult.
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02-02-2015, 11:05 AM
Post: #62
RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
(02-02-2015 10:55 AM)THE_DEAN Wrote:  I guess I'm just confused as to why Jewish leaders have an issue with removing Jews who believe in Jesus as the Messiah from identifying themselves as people of Jewish heritage.

But, at the same time, have no problem with accepting the scores of Jewish people who identify themselves as Agnostics and Atheists as part of the authentic Jewish community.

What gives?

How come believing in Jesus makes a Jew not a Jew?

But being a Jew who doesn't believe in God at all is perfectly fine?

I guess I don't understand.

yep. there is no consistency.

this is how mainline jewish groups are countering them:




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02-02-2015, 11:07 AM
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RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
they have a JFJ response unit now:

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02-02-2015, 11:14 AM
Post: #64
RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
the Vatican 2 Church won't let Catholics convert jews:

Quote:Many years ago the Catholic authorities in the United States came out with a statement against Jews for Jesus, saying that we are an offense to the cause of ecumenism and that the Jewish religion can stand on its own--in other words, that Jews don’t need Christ. From that point on, we have never given a presentation in a Catholic church, though as I said we do have many Catholic friends. More recently, on August 12, 2002, the Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops came out with the statement that “(evangelistic) campaigns that target Jews for conversion to Christianity are no longer theologically acceptable in the Catholic Church.” So you see, it isn’t a question of Jews for Jesus accepting the Catholic Church; the Catholic Church does not accept Jews for Jesus. Not only do they disagree with you that we should become Catholic, they don’t even think we should be Christian.

This is one of the main issues of V2. Nostra Aetate.
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02-02-2015, 11:18 AM
Post: #65
RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
http://www.hebrewcatholic.net/hc-individuals/

Hebrew Catholic Association. I did not know there were so many of these groups.
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02-02-2015, 11:28 AM
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RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
(02-02-2015 11:01 AM)Rako Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 06:55 AM)Rako Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 05:44 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  Black glove - Christian Cross.

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white and black gloves are very fishy. symmetrical cross is fishy too. dude goes over the top with anti-jewish trolling too.
You realize "Br." Kaplan is not wearing a real monk's habit?
I dont know what the pink things are for either on his belt.
First, "Br." Nathanael went into a small breakaway "Orthodox" church and began as a "novice" (ie probational beginner) monk. He then dropped out of monasticism and joined the "official" Orthodox church. So he isn't a monk, but he holds himself out as one.

Second, his official church has officially banned him from his "political" work, but he does it anyway.

Third, he has openly supported white racial nationalism, which is anti-Christian.

Fourth, he claims that he wears the gloves to represent Jesus on the right and Satan on the left. But only the ideology I know of that strongly associates the left hand with blackness and badness, and the right hand with whiteness and goodness is the occult.

yep. he seems to align with the stormfront crowd. that is fishy.

he also attacks jews for jesus.

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02-02-2015, 12:22 PM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2015 12:24 PM by Rako.)
Post: #67
RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
You know, "Br" Nathanael's 210 videos have very little to do with explaining the contents of Christian faith, despite him billing himself as an evangelist. Also, he said that he was monastic for 8 years since 1995 or so, but then the Boston Globe talked about how in 2002 he went to a synagogue for help where they gave him a membership to a health spa. I think it was good that they did this, but he still campaigns about anti-semitism even though they tried to help him. And have you seen the movies of him dancing?
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02-02-2015, 01:20 PM
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(02-02-2015 08:14 AM)Roland Bates Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 04:24 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  you can definitely be JEWISH and CHRISTIAN at the same time.

can you be a jewish atheist? yep.

So why can't you be a jewish christian?

Belief in the divinity of Christ is the theological line most Jews believe they cannot cross.

Perhaps Jews could also be Unitarian Christians, although some might object and put quotation remarks around Christians here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism

"Unitarianism is a Christian theological movement named for the affirmation that God is one person, in direct contrast to Trinitarianism, which defines God as three persons coexisting consubstantially in one being. Unitarians maintain that Jesus of Nazareth is in some sense the "son" of God but that he is not the one God himself. Though they may believe that he was inspired by God in his moral teachings, all Unitarians perceive Christ as human, rather than divine."

Unitarians (or, at least, the ones I've encountered) don't consider themselves religious or Christian, and -- yes -- there's Jewish Unitarians.
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02-02-2015, 01:27 PM
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RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
(02-02-2015 06:37 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 06:33 AM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 05:33 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  If jesus was jewish and the original followers of jesus were jewish, then I don't see the contradiction. I think they are just not identifying with the talmudic judaism.

Also I think it's possible to identify with the culture/ethnicity but religious identifying with Christ.

It doesn't matter what you or I think; it's what Jews think.

yeah but jews are all over the place with their thoughts. They straddle race, religion and nation.

I actually think jews for jesus are coherent:

Quote:Alister McGrath, former Professor of Historical Theology at Oxford University, claims that the 1st century "Jewish Christians" were totally faithful religious Jews. They differed from other contemporary Jews only in their acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah

They are, I agree, but they're also united around certain core principles, one of which is the belief that Jews embracing Christianity are no longer Jews.
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02-02-2015, 01:33 PM
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I understand the idea that Jews embracing Jesus might no longer be considered "Jews" by the Jewish community.

But how come Jews who reject God altogether get to remain Jews?

I guess I just don't understand Judaism all that well.

"If you don't love all, you love no one" - Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson
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02-02-2015, 01:42 PM
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I don't believe Brother N. is trolling (at least, if he is, how is it benefiting Jews or Zionism?); rather, I think he's a "Jew" who rejected Judaism and who exhibits strong Jewish characteristics and who is also probably a tad mentally unbalanced (likely bipolar).

If you review his videos, you recognize how much dirt he digs on Jewish supremacy and Zionism and geo-politics in general. I find many of his videos informative.
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02-02-2015, 02:26 PM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2015 02:26 PM by Rako.)
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RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
(02-02-2015 01:42 PM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  I don't believe Brother N. is trolling (at least, if he is, how is it benefiting Zionism?);
Regardless of whatever he is benefiting, my point is that he is effectively denigrating Christianity, by acting like a strange dancing loon while promoting theories that the mass of people don't accept (whether you do or not). This is how disruption works. There really are people who join groups they don't like and act outrageous, even if you might think that they are providing some kind of "service".

If his motivation is that he believes in Orthodoxy, then why is he pretending to be a monk when he isn't and why is he running a campaign and asking for donations when the Orthodox Church tells him to stop? Why doesn't he talk about the substance of faith, doctrine, etc., but rather presents unusual ideas in a way the mass of people will instantly reject? If a Christian "evangelist" looks like a total whacko, disobeys his denomination, and then makes 300 movies attacking Islam, one cannot assume that he is actually trying to benefit "his cause" or whatever.
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02-02-2015, 03:06 PM
Post: #73
RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
(02-02-2015 01:33 PM)THE_DEAN Wrote:  I understand the idea that Jews embracing Jesus might no longer be considered "Jews" by the Jewish community.

But how come Jews who reject God altogether get to remain Jews?

I guess I just don't understand Judaism all that well.

The short answer is because Jews are a "nation", and not just a "religion", as we understand the term today.

The long answer is that Jewish religion, more than most religions, is very rule-based. There are many laws Jews are expected to follow. Prima facie, there isn't necessarily consistency in a rule or law; it's just what Jews are expected to live by.

However, the underlying reason, I imagine, for Judaism's proscription against dual Christian-Jewish identity (vs. other dual loyalties) is because Christianity threatens domination by Judaism, which, at its core, is a supremacist ideology. The need to dominate is probably why Jews don't oppose other Jews subscribing to Buddhist or Hindu beliefs. These religions don't threaten Judaism's hegemony.

Think of the many "secular" movements or secret societies Jews have promoted in every society in which they've resided. Why subscribe to Masonry, or Communism, or Feminism when you're an identified Jew? Why also take leading roles promoting these values? The answer is because these movements weaken a society's attachment to a dominant value system -- in the West, Christianity; in the Middle East, Islam; in the Far East, Confucianism, etc.

When you destroy a society's core values, you essentially destroy the society, as members start developing beliefs to fill the void left from their loss of culture. We see this playing out in Western nations today.

The strategy of promoting Secularism is the flip side of Jewish hostility towards members who profess dual Jewish-Christian attachment: Judaism doesn't permit competing ideologies that threaten its hegemony. This explains why individual Jews have attacked Christianity at every opportunity and why Jewish individuals have (literally) destroyed nations at odds with Zionist hegemony.

The Jewish strategy for millenniums has been a) domination primarily through monetary schemes and b) to attack any and all belief systems that threaten Jewish hegemony.

The need to reign supreme is likely why Jews react strongly to members who profess agreement to the principles of the other Abrahamic faiths.
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02-02-2015, 03:09 PM
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RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
(02-02-2015 02:26 PM)Rako Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 01:42 PM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  I don't believe Brother N. is trolling (at least, if he is, how is it benefiting Zionism?);
Regardless of whatever he is benefiting, my point is that he is effectively denigrating Christianity, by acting like a strange dancing loon while promoting theories that the mass of people don't accept (whether you do or not). This is how disruption works. There really are people who join groups they don't like and act outrageous, even if you might think that they are providing some kind of "service".

If his motivation is that he believes in Orthodoxy, then why is he pretending to be a monk when he isn't and why is he running a campaign and asking for donations when the Orthodox Church tells him to stop? Why doesn't he talk about the substance of faith, doctrine, etc., but rather presents unusual ideas in a way the mass of people will instantly reject? If a Christian "evangelist" looks like a total whacko, disobeys his denomination, and then makes 300 movies attacking Islam, one cannot assume that he is actually trying to benefit "his cause" or whatever.

You cut the part of my answer that addresses your questions. You can read it over again if it helps.
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02-07-2015, 06:54 PM (This post was last modified: 02-07-2015 08:40 PM by Rako.)
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RE: Jewish Converts to Christianity. A list.
(02-02-2015 03:09 PM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 02:26 PM)Rako Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 01:42 PM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  I don't believe Brother N. is trolling (at least, if he is, how is it benefiting Zionism?);
Regardless of whatever he is benefiting, my point is that he is effectively denigrating Christianity, by acting like a strange dancing loon while promoting theories that the mass of people don't accept (whether you do or not). This is how disruption works. There really are people who join groups they don't like and act outrageous, even if you might think that they are providing some kind of "service".

If his motivation is that he believes in Orthodoxy, then why is he pretending to be a monk when he isn't and why is he running a campaign and asking for donations when the Orthodox Church tells him to stop? Why doesn't he talk about the substance of faith, doctrine, etc., but rather presents unusual ideas in a way the mass of people will instantly reject? If a Christian "evangelist" looks like a total whacko, disobeys his denomination, and then makes 300 movies attacking Islam, one cannot assume that he is actually trying to benefit "his cause" or whatever.

You cut the part of my answer that addresses your questions. You can read it over again if it helps.
I did read the rest of what you wrote. He is not actually a monk in his church. Things don't add up, I am afraid.
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