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01-07-2019, 10:04 AM
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01-07-2019, 12:23 PM
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When they killed the Romanovs, they kept it secret from the Russian people. They admitted to killing the Czar, apparently, but told people that the Czarina and his son still lived, in hiding.

Even a decade after the fact, they denied killing them.

Even under Stalin, post WWII (more than 35 years afterwards!!!!) you weren't allowed to talk about it.

That is where the Anastasia rumors come in. I think it was started by the Bolsheviks, first of all to make RASPUTIN look like the bad guy, and 2nd of all, to give people some hope that some member of the royal family had MIRACULOUSLY escaped.

The Bolsheviks knew they would be hanging from lampposts if they told people they murdered the whole lot, in some basement in Siberia.





Rasputin is evil, but the Bolsheviks, no, they were just misguided. Real Communism has never been tried.
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01-08-2019, 02:49 AM
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Good thread.
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01-08-2019, 03:29 AM
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(01-07-2019 12:23 PM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  When they killed the Romanovs, they kept it secret from the Russian people. They admitted to killing the Czar, apparently, but told people that the Czarina and his son still lived, in hiding.

Even a decade after the fact, they denied killing them.

Even under Stalin, post WWII (more than 35 years afterwards!!!!) you weren't allowed to talk about it.

That is where the Anastasia rumors come in. I think it was started by the Bolsheviks, first of all to make RASPUTIN look like the bad guy, and 2nd of all, to give people some hope that some member of the royal family had MIRACULOUSLY escaped.

The Bolsheviks knew they would be hanging from lampposts if they told people they murdered the whole lot, in some basement in Siberia.





Rasputin is evil, but the Bolsheviks, no, they were just misguided. Real Communism has never been tried.

very very interesting.

and yet how many movies have been made about the killings of the Romanov clan?

close to zero

Those who know, know! Big Grin
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01-08-2019, 03:31 AM
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I have noticed in alt right and neoreaction movements they are now favoring monarchism..

I was in on this so early before it was trendy.. people thought it was insane when I first said this was a natural form of government.. now I see it everywhere in the alt media

once again I call the trend
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01-08-2019, 03:33 AM
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RE: 28% of Russians favor restoration of the Monarchy
slowly but surely we are seeing some changes:

An Upcoming Return to the Monarchy?

OP-ED

The President-Elect and soon-to-be 5th (and first female) President of Georgia, Salome Zurabishvili, had social networks were buzzing with questions as to where her inauguration ceremony would be held- with Tbilisi, Kutaisi, Poti and Telavi tossed in the pot of suggestions. The lady herself put paid to the gossip when she announced Telavi (Kakheti) as her choice, specifically the Royal Palace of Erekle II.

Zurabishvili’s choice was in a way exotic and has diversified the traditional location of inaugurations, which have always taken place in front of the (old) Parliament building in Tbilisi. Moving a ceremony of such importance from the capital to the region was perceived as an interesting step, however, only until we take a closer look, because when we do, we might read Salome’s monarchical “weaknesses” between the lines. Ms. Zurabishvili has previously stated that she is convinced that in order to restore the territorial unity of the country, it is important to restore the monarchy, which would replace the current parliamentary republic. A year ago she wrote on her Facebook page that the country is practically without experience of being under a parliamentary system, and that it is run by parties which have zero trust from the public.

If we take into consideration King Erekle II and the Russian-Georgian epopee of those times, we can easily guess how this decision can be interpreted in the Kremlin. In 1783, in the tractate signed by King Erekle II in Georgievk – the existence of the Georgian state was terminated for good. We all know the attitude of the Kremlin towards signs and symbols, hence nothing can be ruled out. Although they have yet to comment, local political experts have started analyzing the issue. Gia Khukhashvili believes that holding the inauguration ceremony in Telavi raises associations of the ending of the Presidential era in the country.

“It is rather unfortunate that such decisions are made. If we are talking about symbolism, we see that it has a more negative connotation than positive. This city is symbolically associated with the ending of monarchy, that is, of statehood. Telavi is surely one of the cultural centers and I love it a lot, but the symbolism is still sad and negative. If we’re talking about “Patara Kakhi,” King Erekle II, the associations that come up are ones about the tractate with Russia and integration into the Empire,” he said in an interview with Interpressnews.

The idea of restoring the monarchy in Georgia is not new and doesn’t belong to Patriarch Ilia II or Salome Zourabishvili. It was re-born as early as 2006, when now-deceased Evgeny Primakov was appointed as the Curator of Georgian Affairs in the Kremlin. In 2007, the descendent of local Bagrationis was quickly married to the descendent of the Spanish branch. The marriage quickly dissolved, but with the help of local monarchists it was restored and soon the “Prince” was born in the country. The plan of the Kremlin is quite simple, as restoring the monarchy in any form would mean leaving the occupied territories out of the constitutional space, as in the tractate signed in 1783, it was the kingdom of Kartl-Kakheti that entered Russia and not Georgia as a whole and nor was King Erekle II the king of a unified Georgia.

The Church initiated the unhappy marriage mentioned above. Even now, the Church and the Patriarch support the idea of restoring the monarchy and raising the “Prince.” "The Prince must be brought up around the ecclesiastical persons, under the supervision of the Patriarch," said Ilia II during one of his Sunday Liturgies last year. However, nobody has mentioned either the monarchy, or the Prince since then. The monarchical messages coming from the newly elected President have blown new life to this process.

How events will develop on this front is difficult to foresee. The only think we can be sure of is that instead of restoring the Constitutional Monarchy, we will be left with a Theocratic one, where the ruling of the King, Parliament or any other State Institution will be replaced by that of the Patriarchate of Georgia.

Op-Ed by Zaza Jgarkava

Image source: partycity.com

http://georgiatoday.ge/news/13711/An-Upc...onarchy%3F
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01-08-2019, 03:36 AM
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there are groups in Russia advocating for the restoration of the monarchy, some are encouraging Putin to be the new Czar

Critics say he doesnt' have royal blood.. but imo it's not a big deal. When the mongols invaded China they proclaimed themselves the new ruling dynasty.

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SPAS-TESHILOVO, Russia—The last time term limits forced Russian leader Vladimir Putin to step down from the presidency, he became prime minister for a few years.

This time around, a group of pro-Kremlin activists have a different idea: Proclaim him Czar Vladimir.

Czar Vladimir? Putin Acolytes Want to Bring Back the Monarchy
“We will do everything possible to make sure Putin stays in power as long as possible,” Konstantin Malofeyev, a politically active businessman, said recently to thunderous applause from hundreds of Russian Orthodox priests and members of the country’s top political parties gathered at a conference outside Moscow. They were united by one cause—to return the monarchy to Russia.

While there are no plans to crown a new Emperor and Sovereign of All the Russias, as part of the royal title once went, the idea raises the possibility Mr. Putin could stay beyond the two-term limit the constitution allows.

The Kremlin has given little sign of who may succeed Mr. Putin when his six-year term ends in 2024, leaving many to speculate, sometimes wildly, about what’s next.

Konstantin Malofeyev wants to restore Russia’s monarchy.
Konstantin Malofeyev wants to restore Russia’s monarchy. PHOTO: PRESS OFFICE OF KONSTANTIN MALOFEYEV
Even among those who want a monarchy, however, there are splits over what kind it should be. Is an absolute monarchy better than a constitutional monarchy? Should a blood line be established or should the czar be elected? For those who favor male succession, would it be a problem that Mr. Putin reportedly only has two daughters? Some have even suggested others besides Mr. Putin should accede to the throne.

Over tea and biscuits at the conference last month, members of the Double-Headed Eagle, a group dedicated to restoring the Russian monarchy, discussed the finer points.

“Monarchy is only about blood by definition,” said Yevgeniy Nikofoforov, general director of a radio station dedicated to the Russian Orthodox Church. “No, absolutely not,” shot back Andrey Afanasiev, a presenter at Mr. Malofeyev’s internet channel Tsargrad.

A sculpture of a double-headed eagle, a national symbol of Russia.
A sculpture of a double-headed eagle, a national symbol of Russia. PHOTO: PETER KOVALEV/REUTERS
“What has Russia done in the last 30 years; it’s resurrected an empire and chosen an emperor,” said Mr. Afanasiev, adding that Mr. Putin’s lack of a noble birth wasn’t a problem.

Serge Kapnist was born and raised in France, but claims the title of count in Russia from his ancestors who he says fled revolutionary Russia. He said no matter how it starts, you have to make sure it continues. “Sustainability is the most important thing here,” he said.

“You have as many different kinds of monarchies as you have monarchs,” said Mr. Malofeyev.

Russia hasn’t had a ruling czar since 1917, when Nicholas II abdicated the throne under pressure from revolutionaries.

Mr. Malofeyev says his Double-Headed Eagle group, named after a symbol on Russia’s coat of arms, is flourishing; the number of regional branches grew by almost half this year to more than 50. Started in 2016, the group says it wants to enlighten people about Russia’s pre-Soviet past and resurrect Russian traditions. It is trying to bring back czarist-era names of towns and streets, as well as the monarchy.

“We are a very paternalistic society,” said Mr. Malofeyev, adding that Russians are returning to their historical roots.

Lt. Gen. Leonid Reshetnikov, a one-time member of the Soviet Union’s foreign intelligence service who is now deputy chairman of the Double-Headed Eagle, said he had a conversation about monarchy last year with Mr. Putin.

Leonid Reshetnikov, deputy chairman of the Double-Headed Eagle group.
Leonid Reshetnikov, deputy chairman of the Double-Headed Eagle group. PHOTO: ALEXEI DRUZHININ/PLANETPIX/ZUMA PRESS
In the conversation, Mr. Putin described the idea as “beautiful,” said Mr. Reshetnikov. But he worried monarchy could lead to “zastoi,” or stagnation, a term used to describe the economic torpor of the late Soviet years and now increasingly used in reference to sluggish growth rates under Mr. Putin.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Mr. Putin doesn’t like the idea of bringing back monarchy, but didn’t comment on the exchange with Mr. Reshetnikov.

Mr. Reshetnikov said he didn’t propose the idea to Mr. Putin directly that he should become czar.

“He wasn’t talking about it in terms of practical application; our conversation was more about history,” he said, but added he would love to be around to see Mr. Putin’s coronation.

Mr. Putin’s popularity declined to 66% in October, said Moscow-based independent polling group Levada, from levels as high as 89% in 2015.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/czar-vladim...1544732680
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01-08-2019, 04:19 AM
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The problem with monarchy is always choosing the successor.

This is why historically you had 4 year olds crowned as King, just so people knew "Hey, for the next 40-50 years, don't even think about trying to become King".

And of course the power was in the hands of regents, or their parents.
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01-08-2019, 06:54 AM
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the ancient world seemed just as much full of conspiracy, division, and discord as the world of our grandparents, parents, and present generation.....

and there is a common thread coursing through history.......the powerful influence of Religious leaders, the Banks/Financial system more powerful than Kings and Royals......and human nature is the same now as it was then......
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01-08-2019, 07:23 AM
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it seems that way because history only records significant events mostly wars or succession of power

there were long periods of peace back in the day and the bloodshed of centuries in certain places does not even add up to a few months of "us freedom fries" in the middle east

the famed spanish inquisition claimed 3000 lives in 300 years by liberal academic estimates

how many died in a few weeks during operation Iraqi Freedom? or the illegal "humanitarian kinetik actions" on Libya?
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01-08-2019, 05:18 PM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2019 05:21 PM by karasu.)
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(01-08-2019 07:23 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  it seems that way because history only records significant events mostly wars or succession of power

there were long periods of peace back in the day and the bloodshed of centuries in certain places does not even add up to a few months of "us freedom fries" in the middle east

the famed spanish inquisition claimed 3000 lives in 300 years by liberal academic estimates

how many died in a few weeks during operation Iraqi Freedom? or the illegal "humanitarian kinetik actions" on Libya?


I think it has to do more with HONESTY. In the old days the Conquerors were HONEST about what they were doing. Now everything is political scheming and divisive. Old times it was about survival where if you were not conquering then you were being conquered. Of course there was political scheming then too but probably it was after the HONEST conquering took place and then when peace was established the feminine schemers went about resuming their politiking.

Of course now there is this concept of "civilized society"
which kind of maybe helps to influence a reduction in the violence of war but the problem is that it creates DIShonesty about it, more conspiratorial scheming action where people are more deceived and manipulated.

At least in the Old Days maybe there was more honesty about it though that probably did not lessen the suck of a Mongol invasion.

As for numbers.....I think there are more people in the world so that's why maybe the numbers are more?
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01-08-2019, 08:35 PM
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I don't see Russia restoring the old Romanov bloodline which is the same as the British & Dutch royal families.

If it happens it will only be if they get King Vladimer.
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01-09-2019, 03:24 AM
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(01-08-2019 05:18 PM)karasu Wrote:  I think it has to do more with HONESTY. In the old days the Conquerors were HONEST about what they were doing. Now everything is political scheming and divisive. Old times it was about survival where if you were not conquering then you were being conquered. Of course there was political scheming then too but probably it was after the HONEST conquering took place and then when peace was established the feminine schemers went about resuming their politiking.

Of course now there is this concept of "civilized society"
which kind of maybe helps to influence a reduction in the violence of war but the problem is that it creates DIShonesty about it, more conspiratorial scheming action where people are more deceived and manipulated.

At least in the Old Days maybe there was more honesty about it though that probably did not lessen the suck of a Mongol invasion.

As for numbers.....I think there are more people in the world so that's why maybe the numbers are more?

What was the CCP's motivation in waging war against Chinese Nationalists? They said that they HAD TO, in order to RESTORE PEACE, of course.

So if you recruit people based on the idea that you will conquer all of China, in order to restore peace of course, and then you make peace with your enemies half way through, well... Those that you made the false statements to are not going to be pleased. And then you will have in-fighting. And depending who comes out on top, war may even resume.
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