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02-25-2014, 04:53 PM
Post: #16
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
$5 billion, damn Ukraine selling themselves short, their women alone are worth at least twice that.
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02-25-2014, 04:55 PM
Post: #17
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
shows you how ridiculous whatsapp's valuation is.

5 billion to completely subvert and take over a country. 19 billion for a simple chat service.
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02-25-2014, 05:01 PM
Post: #18
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
Who were the snipers allegedly shooting at both the police and the protestors, and why were they doing this?

The main fire was not coming from police (called Berkut) with machine guns, but from snipers in buildings.

(An article where an opposition politician said that there is a story that the snipers were not from the authorities: http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/society/...97643.html)

It's not dissimilar to how there were peaceful protests in Syria but then there was sniper fire and attacks on both police and protestors. I don't know the answer, just asking.
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02-25-2014, 05:32 PM
Post: #19
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
Snipers in BKK too.
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02-25-2014, 06:02 PM
Post: #20
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
That is very troubling, but not surprising. Cowards.

I guess it didn't matter whether we elected Clinton or Trump.
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02-25-2014, 06:22 PM
Post: #21
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
Thailand has historically had a very strong monarchy.
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02-25-2014, 06:36 PM
Post: #22
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
For the subverters, snipers targeting both police and civilians are a win-win. A couple of different scenarios are possible.

1. Civilians become enraged, blame the police, and step up their violence.

2. Police step things up, and the government is castrated by the international media.

Scenario one can easily lead to scenario two.

I guess it didn't matter whether we elected Clinton or Trump.
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02-25-2014, 06:52 PM
Post: #23
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
^ correct. wouldnt' be surprsied if the extremist right sniped both cops and protestors.
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02-25-2014, 06:53 PM
Post: #24
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
the ferocity and persistence of the globalists is truly a sight to behold. they never give up.
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02-26-2014, 02:11 AM
Post: #25
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
(02-25-2014 06:53 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  the ferocity and persistence of the globalists is truly a sight to behold. they never give up.
Did you ever try talking with a hardcore Israeli supporter?
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02-26-2014, 05:19 AM
Post: #26
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-pro...ning-group

Ukraine Protests Carefully Orchestrated: The Role of CANVAS, US-Financed “Color Revolution Training Group”

By F. William Engdahl

Global Research, February 21, 2014
engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net 7 January 2014


The recent protests in Ukraine have the stench of a foreign-orchestrated attempt to destabilize the government of Viktor Yanukovych after he walked away from signing an EU Association Agreement that would have driven a deep wedge between Russia and Ukraine. Glamor-star boxer-turned political guru, Vitaly Klitschko, has been meeting with the US State Department and is close to Angela Merkel’s CDU political machine in Germany.

The EU association agreement with Ukraine is widely resisted by many EU member states with deep economic problems of their own. The two EU figures most pushing it—Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt and Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski—are both well known in the EU as close to Washington.

The US is strongly pushing the Ukraine EU integration just as it had been behind the 2004 failed “Orange Revolution” to split Ukraine from Russia in a bid to isolate and weaken Russia. Now Ukrainians have found evidence of direct involvement of the Belgrade US-financed training group, CANVAS behind the carefully-orchestrated Kiev protests.

A copy of the pamphlet that was given out to opposition protestors in Kiev has been obtained. It is a word-for-word and picture-for-picture translation of the pamphlet used by US-financed Canvas organizers in the 2011 Cairo Tahrir Square protests that toppled Hosni Mubarak and opened the door to the US-backed Muslim Brotherhood.[1] The photo below is a side-by-side comparison:

[Image: 0107_Eng1.png]

The photo left is from Tahrir Square; the right from Kiev and here below is the English original used by the Belgrade CANVAS NGO:

[Image: 0107_Eng2.png]

Canvas, formerly Otpor, received significant money from the US State Department in 2000 to stage the first successful Color Revolution against Slobodan Milosovic in then-Yugoslavia. Since then they have been transformed into a full-time “revolution consultancy” for the US, posing as a Serbian grass-root group backing “democracy.” [2] Who would ever think a Serbian-based NGO would be a front for US-backed regime change?
The Strange Ukraine “Opposition”

Direct sources in Kiev that I have contacted report that the anti-government protestors have been recruited with money from among university students and unemplyed to come by bus into the heart of Kiev. The revealing aspect is the spectacular emergence of champion boxed Vitaly Klitschko as presumably the wise politician guiding Ukraine’s future. No doubt spending your career beating other boxers unconscious is a superb preparation for becoming a statesman, though I for one doubt it. It reminds of the choice of a low-grade Hollywood movie actor, Ronald Reagan as President. But more interesting about “opposition” spokesman Klitschko is who his friends are.

Klitschko is being backed by US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Nuland, former US Ambassador to NATO, is a neo-conservative married to leading neo-conservative hawk, Robert Kagan, and was herself a former adviser to Dick Cheney. [3]

Klitschko is also very friendly with German Chancellor Merkel. According to a recent Der Spiegel report, Merkel wants to support Klitschko in his bid to become Ukraine’s president in 2015. [4]


More evidence that a darker agenda lies behind the “democracy” opposition is the fact that the demands of the protestors went from demanding accession to the EU to demanding the immediate resignation of the Yanukovich government. Klitschko and the opposition used an unfortunate police crackdown on protesters to massively expand the protest from a few hundred to tens of thousands. On December 18, the government took the wind partly out of the Klitschko sails by signing a major economic agreement with Moscow in which Russia agreed to cut the price of Russian gas exported to Ukraine by a third, down to $268.5 per 1,000 cubic meters from the current level of more than $400, and to buy $15 billion of Ukraine’s debt in eurobonds. That gives Ukraine breathing room to avoid a sovereign debt default and calmly negotiate over its future.


William Engdahl is author of A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics in the New World Order. He is a contributing author at BFP and may be contacted through his website at http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net where this article was originally published.
Notes:

[1] SysAdmin, Pamphlets in Ukraine handed out during protests and pamphlets that were handed out in Egypt, December 12, 2013, accessed in http://12160.info/photo/photo/show?id=26...3A1376645.

[2] Nebojsa Malic, Invasion of the Mind Snatchers: Empire’s Revolution Business, AntiWar.com, June 24, 2011, accessed in http://original.antiwar.com/malic/2011/0...natchers/.

[3] NTDTV,Ukrainian Opposition Vitaly Klitschko Meets US Official Victoria Nuland, December 6, 2013, accessed in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0miz548u0WY.

[4] Die Zeit, Merkel unterstützt Klitschko, 8. Dezember 2013, accessed in http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2013-...ko-ukraine
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02-26-2014, 05:22 AM
Post: #27
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
^ I saw that pic before but could never find a high enough resolution pic.

could you find one?

it's so damn obvious that all of these protests are CONTRIVED.
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02-26-2014, 05:23 AM
Post: #28
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/02/23/...aine-jews/

Israeli agency sends aid to Ukraine Jews

Anti-government protesters clash with police in front of the Ukrainian Parliament in Kiev on February 18, 2014.
Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:31PM GMT

Israel’s Jewish Agency has sent funds to boost security for the Jewish community of Ukraine amid political unrest in the European country.

“We have sent initial aid at the request of the heads of the Ukrainian Jewish community to finance purchase of surveillance systems and the protection of Jewish institutions, particularly schools and synagogues,” Avi Mayer, a spokesman for the agency said on Sunday.

The aid comes from the agency’s Emergency Assistance Fund for Jewish Communities.

However, Mayer declined to say how much money has been sent so far for the 200,000-strong Jewish community or what the total package would be.

The development comes a day after the agency’s chairman Natan Sharansky said, “We have a moral responsibility to ensure the safety and security of Ukraine's Jews.”

“We are in constant contact with the leadership of the Ukrainian Jewish community and are following the events closely,” he added.

Ukraine has been rocked by anti-government demonstrations since President Viktor Yanukovych refrained from signing an Association Agreement with the European Union on November 29, 2013, in favor of closer ties with Russia. Ukraine parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from power on February 22.

In mid-February media reports revealed that a former Israeli army officer is playing a leading role in the anti-government protests in the former Soviet republic, commanding a group of 20 Ukrainian militants.

Four other Israelis, who had previously served in the army, were also reported to have taken part in opposition rallies in Ukraine’s capital, Kiev.

Reports also said that an Israeli tycoon provides financial support to the opposition in Ukraine, adding that Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency is one of the instigators of the unrest in the country.


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02-26-2014, 05:26 AM
Post: #29
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
i wonder how much cash they are giving to students and the unemployed.

maybe 20K USD each? or maybe more.

The relentlessness and ferocity of the NWO is truly a sight to behold.

it is hard to go against them unless the people are properly educated.
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02-26-2014, 05:27 AM
Post: #30
RE: Nuland: US Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine”
(02-26-2014 05:22 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  ^ I saw that pic before but could never find a high enough resolution pic.

could you find one?

it's so damn obvious that all of these protests are CONTRIVED.


[Image: PamphletsinUkrainehandedoutduringprotest...height=443]
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