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The Importance of Drinking in the Chinese Business Environment
01-28-2014, 06:54 AM
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The Importance of Drinking in the Chinese Business Environment
News.au – ONE boss surprised his employees by handing out bonuses based on who could best drink him under the table. An employee surnamed Zhang from Jinhua, Zhejiang Province, China, said that his boss placed a pile of money on the table saying that people would get their bonuses based on how much they drink. ”Men were given 500 yuan ($92) for a shot of liquor, 200 yuan for a glass of red wine and 100 yuan for a beer. Women were given twice as much money for consuming the same amounts,” Zhang told the Global Times. “We worked hard all year only to learn our bonuses would be decided by our alcohol tolerance. It was absolutely unfair to people who can’t drink much.” The boss said that the company’s business success was rooted in employees being able to hold their liquor with clients. Many employees became drunk. Mr Zhang said those with high alcohol tolerance could pocket over 10,000 yuan, while others had to settle for 1000 yuan. ”I couldn’t get a bonus if I didn’t drink, but it is bad for one’s health to drink too much. Everyone ended up drinking and some people vomited,” said Mr Zhang, who described the unusual bonus system as “unreasonable and inhumane.” Legal experts said there are no laws related to the distribution of year-end bonuses, which is determined at the discretion of employers.

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01-28-2014, 06:56 AM
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they respect this a lot.

same with japan/korea.

drinking culture is quite strong.

also the stuff the Chinese drink has like 50-60% alcohol content. it's called BAI JIU

when I went back to the states recently, I went out and was outdrinking everyone. last call 1:30 am drinking laws are not conducive to high alcohol tolerance!
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01-28-2014, 07:02 AM
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That's like a Wolf of Wall Street scene. No doubt, I would take home a hefty bonus.

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01-28-2014, 07:04 AM
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the northern chinese can definitely drink.

the southern ones not so much.

although by western standards, I think a lot of east asians could be classified as alcoholic. japanese dudes drink every day after work.
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01-28-2014, 07:07 AM
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this is why my chinese business ventures have always failed miserably
I regularly get out drunk by muslims buddhists & sikhs
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01-28-2014, 09:53 AM
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(01-28-2014 06:54 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  News.au – ONE boss surprised his employees by handing out bonuses based on who could best drink him under the table. An employee surnamed Zhang from Jinhua, Zhejiang Province, China, said that his boss placed a pile of money on the table saying that people would get their bonuses based on how much they drink. ”Men were given 500 yuan ($92) for a shot of liquor, 200 yuan for a glass of red wine and 100 yuan for a beer. Women were given twice as much money for consuming the same amounts,” Zhang told the Global Times. “We worked hard all year only to learn our bonuses would be decided by our alcohol tolerance. It was absolutely unfair to people who can’t drink much.” The boss said that the company’s business success was rooted in employees being able to hold their liquor with clients. Many employees became drunk. Mr Zhang said those with high alcohol tolerance could pocket over 10,000 yuan, while others had to settle for 1000 yuan. ”I couldn’t get a bonus if I didn’t drink, but it is bad for one’s health to drink too much. Everyone ended up drinking and some people vomited,” said Mr Zhang, who described the unusual bonus system as “unreasonable and inhumane.” Legal experts said there are no laws related to the distribution of year-end bonuses, which is determined at the discretion of employers.

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01-28-2014, 10:00 AM
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it's simple. people are more likely to agree to a deal when they are drunk.

people feel like friends and just SIGN THE CONTRACT BIG BOI!
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01-28-2014, 10:04 AM
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(01-28-2014 10:00 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  it's simple. people are more likely to agree to a deal when they are drunk.

people feel like friends and just SIGN THE CONTRACT BIG BOI!

I guess it can work both ways -- that is, the concern that your employees make bad deals while intoxicated, but also the benefit of the other side making deals that benefit you.
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01-28-2014, 10:09 AM
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yeah. so they are always looking for ultra strong drinkers.

also it's usually one party pursuing another party for funds or business. So as long as the pursuing guy can hold up, they agree to the deal.

i don't think this is the best way to do business, but to each his own!
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01-28-2014, 10:42 AM
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When I worked in engineering sales I paired often with Yashihiro, he was a brilliant design engineer from Japan. I had a great time working with him and often went on sales calls. We would drink but I would only always have one, knowing he would drink a huge amount and never get apparently drunk. I couldn't figure it out, he would have 6 to 8 drinks in about two hours time but held it well. I realized he drank like that almost every day, it didn't seem to effect his work. I used to hold my own at the bar but this man was a champ, also one of the smartest engineers I have had the pleasure to work with
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01-28-2014, 10:46 AM
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yeah. the stereotype that asians can't drink is obviously bunk.

it is true that they get red or some of them do, but that has nothing to do with alcohol tolerance.

but a lot of this is just training.

now I have awesome tolerance due to all the training in Asia.

out of girls, korean girls are definitely the strongest. amazing tolerance! stronger than korean guys IMO
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01-28-2014, 10:49 AM
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going red is more of a excessive sunlight on unprotected skin issue iMo
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01-28-2014, 10:58 AM
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What is the custom if any around how drinks are offered & received in line with the senority of these present?

I'll be working in Asia within the next 12-18 months in a fairly senior role so I dont want to "lose face" by going against the grain.

I trust they are quite flexible with expats but as they say "when in Rome"....

Il be based out of Thailand, Malaysia or Singapore but my question relates to Singapore and Malaysia where I believe Chinese customs play a larger part in business dealings than Thailand (my preferred destination). Ill be working for a large Australian based multinational if that makes any difference.

Thanks in advance.

PS. Most of my most of my local or "native" if you like peers will be much older than I am I'm told, given we will hold the same rank is this going to cause a problem for me? The feedback I have received is that its no problem but I have an inkling that those people probably offended some locals sensitivities along the way. Should I start another thread for this question?
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01-28-2014, 11:01 AM
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And don't forget smoking over there...it's still not considered a vice (and a danger to others) as it over here. I hear the tobacco companies consider China as an expanding market...eve as far as giving free cigarettes away (usually passed out by beautiful young girls)????!!!

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01-28-2014, 11:02 AM
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If I was you vutu I'd start training by my body now, hard liquor, not beer, perhaps your famous bundaberg rum, a couple of shots a night, work up to about 10, develop tolerance, become one with the bottle, in no time your business associates will be inviting you to have sexual relations with their daughters & their wives
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