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01-16-2014, 09:01 AM
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01-16-2014, 09:06 AM
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Elvis had the screaming, fainting girls long before the Beatles ever did. The Greasy King was definitely the first of these 'shocking' youth culture figures.

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01-16-2014, 12:12 PM
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(01-16-2014 08:07 AM)Redneck Wrote:  
(01-16-2014 04:01 AM)THE_DEAN Wrote:  There is also evidence to suggest that the 'screaming and fainting girls' seen on the Ed Sullivan appearance was basically planted ahead of time as a way of introducing The Beatles and this new form of rock-n-roll to the American teenage public.



The entire US Invasion was staged, the girls at the airport were hired and given signs, and to;d to scream wildly. The same with the Ed Sullivan audience, the vast majority of the screaming girls had never heard of the Beatles, and neither had the US public at the time. The Ed Sullivan show was used to sell them to America, and it worked.

When they released their first single. 'Please please me', it was not popular and sales were flat. Brian Epstein, the Beatles manager, purchased thousands of copies of the record and forced it into the charts. Ringo sucked so bad at drumming that Martin used another drummer on the early recordings. McArtney and Lennon could not read or write music, yet the stuff they started churning out when they stopped being a cover band, was cutting edge for its time and indicated strong technical knowledge of music.

I do find it interesting that the Adorno refined his craft at the German Frankfurt school, where he returned after the war until his death in 1969 (same year that the Beatles stopped writing songs), and that the young Beatles spent a great amount of their formative years in Germany. Probably just another coincidence.

There is no documented connection that I can find between Tavistock, Adorno, and the Beatles, or even proff that Adorno ever owned the songs, but there is no doubt in my mind that the Beatles were a creation, the prototype boy band, and it would amaze me if they weren't receiving the very best help to ensure their success and influence on society.

a good number of radio stations held huge promotions for the arrival of the beatles to create an atmosphere, much like they still do today, but to say the US public had never heard of the beatles is way off. they had already had success in america and were currently topping the charts with a #1 hit. in fact, they were urged to do it sooner but held off until they had a #1 in america because of previous acts making the trip & failing.

ringo was a pretty big act before joining the beatles & that helped him get the gig. he may not be the flashiest of drummers, but he certainly didn't suck. you'd have to ask george martin why he didn't play on that record, but it was recorded very shortly after him joining the group & martin did say he wasn't comfortable with ringo at that time. session musicians were very common @ the time IIRC.

lennon and mccartney could definitely write music & its not that uncommon for musicians (most common of rock) to not be able to read music... though, i think mccartney prob plays that up a bit. watch any doc, or read any book & you can see/hear them go through the creative process with their sound and/or explain their inspirations. that strong technical knowledge of music (& studio engineering/producing) is where martin comes in. he was HUGE early on with their development.

no doubt they were given a push, thats what PR guys, managers, record labels, radio stations do. it also served as a great distraction after kennedy. im sure beatlemania was exploited @ some point, once it was apparent the kind of influence they had how could it not be? just don't think the band was a willing participant.

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01-16-2014, 12:51 PM
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Four seventh graders dressed up in wigs and did a fake Beatles concert for us all in the gym that year!

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01-16-2014, 11:22 PM
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(01-16-2014 09:06 AM)Megatherium Wrote:  Elvis had the screaming, fainting girls long before the Beatles ever did. The Greasy King was definitely the first of these 'shocking' youth culture figures.

And Frank Sinatra before him, with one of the first words created to build a generation gap, "bobbysoxers". The data gained from observing the reactions to Sinatra, and later Presley, was used effectively to create the hype that surrounded the Beatles.


In the movie Help, Ringo has a ring that a mystical occult order need for a human sacrifice ritual, in one scene a man grabs Ringo's finger, looks at the ring, and then says to Ringo, "Freemason?".

I think the relevance of Ringo Star's name is that it could be a reference to Saturn.


In order to create the Beatles hype, the handlers had to make sure the public was desperate for something, so they killed the Rock n Roll
movement, which they had originally started. Buddy Holly (Lennon & McCartney's idol), Richie Valens and JP 'The Big Bopper' Richardson, were all taken out in a plane crash, Jerry Lee Lewis was arrested on a trumped up statutory rape charge and his career was ruined, Elvis joined the army and disappeared for a while but when he came out, he was never the same performer, he had lost something, like his mind was no longer clear. The opportunity for new stars to emerge was huge.

When the Beatles first appeared on the scene, they were doing a lot of covers from the Rock and Roll era, this helped to win them over with a lot of people, who were familiar with the songs. Then, slowly but surely, like a spider luring it's prey, they changed from wannabe Rock n Rollers to the most sophisticated pop band of their time within a very short time span. Their entire recording career lasted less than 10 years, and yet the body of work they generated in that time is nothing short of amazing.


George Martin worked for the Government owned BBC for many years, and he was a commissioned officer in the Royal Navy. He is reported to have dismissed the Beatles as unpromising when he heard them, but something must've made him change his mind and record them.

Check out who owns the rights to Buddy Holly's songs today.

I'm just writing random stuff as it comes to mind, I did research this for a long time, but not everything is fresh in my mind. I'll post more stuff as it comes back to me.

I'm just trying to figure this shit out like you are.
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01-16-2014, 11:43 PM
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Redneck, your insights on the Beatles are always fascinating.
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01-17-2014, 02:51 AM
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the Beatles did start off doing covers (while also offering originals). alot of bands were doing covers then. besides, back in this time it was more common for your songs to be written by a writer and then given to someone else to perform anyway. that was SOP in the industry, so why an elaborate hoax or hide it? in fact, the beatles were one of the first bands to make writing your own material expected, rather than exceptional & inspired the rolling stones to do the same.

martin did think their songs were originally "unpromising". upon meeting the lads, he loved their attitude & quick wit (along with their vocals) & knew he could work with them. he also signed them for royalties of one penny for every record sold. that's a no-lose situation.

as far as the quick progression of their music, they most definitely had help. all the money/resources/studio time you need, & once they quit touring (and their music turned psychedelic) all the time in the world. mccartney was always trying new, avant-garde things, harrison was getting into the middle eastern sound & lennon was lennon.

but it was definitely a lot of martins influence.

Quote:Martin's musical expertise helped fill the gaps between the Beatles' raw talent and the sound they wanted to achieve. Most of the Beatles' orchestral arrangements and instrumentation (as well as frequent keyboard parts on the early records) were written or performed by Martin in collaboration with the band.[35] It was Martin's idea to put a string quartet on "Yesterday", against McCartney's initial reluctance.[35][36] Martin played the song in the style of Bach to show McCartney the voicings that were available.[37] Another example is the song "Penny Lane", which featured a piccolo trumpet solo. McCartney hummed the melody he wanted, and Martin notated it for David Mason, the classically trained trumpeter.[38]
Martin's distinctive arranging work appears on many Beatles recordings. For "Eleanor Rigby" he scored and conducted a strings-only accompaniment inspired by Bernard Herrmann. On a Canadian speaking tour in 2007, Martin said his "Eleanor Rigby" score was influenced by Herrmann's score for the Alfred Hitchcock thriller, Psycho.[39] For "Strawberry Fields Forever", he and recording engineer Geoff Emerick turned two very different takes into a single master through careful use of vari-speed and editing.[40] For "I Am the Walrus", he provided a quirky and original arrangement for brass, violins, cellos, and the Mike Sammes Singers vocal ensemble.[41][42][43] On "In My Life", he played a speeded-up baroque piano solo.[44] He worked with McCartney to implement the orchestral 'climax' in "A Day in the Life" and he and McCartney shared conducting duties the day it was recorded.[45]

paul mccartney once commended martin by saying: "george martin was quite experimental for who he was, a grown-up".

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01-17-2014, 03:01 AM
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(01-16-2014 09:06 AM)Megatherium Wrote:  Elvis had the screaming, fainting girls long before the Beatles ever did. The Greasy King was definitely the first of these 'shocking' youth culture figures.

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01-17-2014, 04:19 AM
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amazing info from redneck!
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01-17-2014, 04:42 AM (This post was last modified: 01-17-2014 04:55 AM by Daglord.)
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(01-16-2014 11:22 PM)Redneck Wrote:  I think the relevance of Ringo Star's name is that it could be a reference to Saturn.

or it could just be a catchy name change due to the fact that his band (before the beatles) was adopting stage names @ the time. i love looking into this shit, but you can look too hard...

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01-17-2014, 05:47 AM (This post was last modified: 01-17-2014 06:54 AM by Daglord.)
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if you researched this for a long time and after finding that "There is no documented connection that I can find between Tavistock, Adorno, and the Beatles, or even proff that Adorno ever owned the songs"

do you still truly believe that theo adorno was ghost writing all the beatles songs in secret? & that the beatles needed this b/c they sucked & couldn't write?

i mean, i'm assuming that you have watched a few of the hundreds of docs or read a few of the hundreds of books on the subject during your research. in just the anthology alone you can watch the creative process and the progression of their sound from start to finish. you can watch them writing/playing the songs. you can hear TONS of studio outtakes containing early versions of songs, demos, songs being created right on the spot, songs being combined into one, etc. pauls book "many years from now" goes into great detail on the songwriting process of almost their entire catalog revealing how they came to be & inspiration for lyrics. john's is a bit more vague, but consistent.

you can also google northern songs and know exactly who owns what, when & why.

i dont get it. what am i missing??

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01-17-2014, 06:02 AM
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Quote:There is no documented connection that I can find between Tavistock, Adorno, and the Beatles, or even proff that Adorno ever owned the songs, but there is no doubt in my mind that the Beatles were a creation, the prototype boy band, and it would amaze me if they weren't receiving the very best help to ensure their success and influence on society.

good stuff.

i never managed to find anything either.

however grateful dead you can find a solid link between them and mk ultra/cia etc.
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01-17-2014, 06:04 AM
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LOLOL

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01-17-2014, 06:09 AM
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i am more interested in beatles info because a solid link would be very useful towards converting the dupes.
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01-17-2014, 06:10 AM
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you have a solid link with modern art from the same time period.
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