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Example of Catholic Heresy : The Trinity
12-24-2013, 09:04 AM
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(12-24-2013 08:58 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  the whole point of the trinity is IMO to make it very confusing to understand what god is.

is he a human? is he a ghost? is he the father?

he is all of them and none of them.

the human is not the ghost.. but both the human and ghost is god etc.

I think it's a way of showing a type of "mystery"

I think it's a subtle way of introducing pantheism(and utter confusion), as well as seperating the Jew from the Gentile. If so, they succeeded admirably.

And to answer your question, I was raised catholic and did all the communion/confirmation stuff but never felt a REAL, heartfelt belief. I became an atheist from about 16 until about 19/20, when a stoner friend of mine read me some verses that awakened me.
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12-24-2013, 09:08 AM
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RE: Example of Catholic Heresy : The Trinity
(12-24-2013 08:49 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  from the OT:

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)
The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

As I noted before, BOTH the Jews and the Gentiles have infected views.

The Jews seem to have ignored the scripture teaching that Yeshua must FIRST come as a sacrificial lamb. THEN return sometime later as conquering king.
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12-24-2013, 09:10 AM
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RE: Example of Catholic Heresy : The Trinity
What Did Yeshua (Jesus) Teach About The Godhead?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. (Mark 12:29-30)

It is evident that Yeshua (Jesus) taught people exactly what the Torah taught. Yet He went even further in this statement:
Matthew 19:16-17 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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12-24-2013, 09:17 AM
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RE: Example of Catholic Heresy : The Trinity
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. (1 Tim. 2:5-6)

Wait a minute! Where did Paul come up with this one God idea? Wasn’t he a Trinitarian? Being one of the apostles, shouldn’t he have at least known the Apostolic Creed? In fact, Paul wrote over and over again about one God.

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. (Rom. 3:30)
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Eph. 4:6)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 Cor. 8:6)

Paul did not have a problem with having one God and calling Yeshua (Jesus) Lord! To him it was simple. He didn’t try to make them co-anything because he understood their differences.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? (James 2:18-20)

If the devils know that there is but one God, how can there be any confusion? If the Trinity doctrine is correct, why, many years after the ascension, is James the half-brother of Yeshua (Jesus) teaching that there is only one God? Consider Paul’s teaching to the church at Corinth:
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (1 Cor. 15:22-28)

Someone needs to ask the question, “How on earth did we ever believe the doctrine of the Trinity with all of this bible screaming so loudly? How?” Maybe we should ask this question, “How many Church Fathers does it take to overrule and Apostle, or Yeshua (Jesus)?”
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12-24-2013, 09:21 AM
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RE: Example of Catholic Heresy : The Trinity
To give credit where credit is due, I hadn't considered this stuff until I read Russ Houck's(a converted Jew) book, EPIDEMIC Examining the Infected Roots of Judaism and Christianity: How do we find God with all this mess?
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12-24-2013, 02:30 PM
Post: #21
RE: Example of Catholic Heresy : The Trinity
The main problem with Christianity, Catholicism etc..is that it was an eclectic mix of near Eastern and Med. traditions then it was co-opted by Pauline thought ..essentially all bullshit except for allegories about celestial bodies
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12-24-2013, 05:55 PM (This post was last modified: 12-24-2013 05:58 PM by Hellfire Awaits.)
Post: #22
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Just about every single church in Christendom accepted the holy trinity as infallible dogma until the protestant reformation. There were all sorts of crazy sects before then (Ebionites, Arians, Marcionites, etc), but not any since the early medieval era or so.

What the hell are you idjuts smoking here.

Don't turn this into a bogus debate over "weeelllll what does the bible REALLY say?". That is a dead end. You cannot win through this method, EVEN if you think your arguments are rock solid.

Just consider that if Christianity is truth, then God wouldn't allow EVERY SINGLE CHURCH ON EARTH to accept the trinity as dogma for hundreds of years on end. Are we seriously to believe that "true Christianity" was wiped off the face if the earth through Catholic persecution, only to be miraculously restored hundreds of years later? That there wasn't a SINGLE true Christian left on earth, nor a SINGLE true Christian church for over a THOUSAND years before the Edict of Worms?

Even the Mormons don't believe in shit this stupid.

Either Christianity is wrong, or your understanding of Christianity is dead wrong.



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12-24-2013, 06:02 PM (This post was last modified: 12-24-2013 06:02 PM by Hellfire Awaits.)
Post: #23
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Once again.

Every single church on earth preached the holy trinity for over hundreds of years.

Unless God is sleeping under a rock or something, he wouldn't allow this to happen unless the holy trinity were true. How the hell would God's "true religion" disappear worldwide for even a single second? Let alone hundreds of years on end?

Not only Catholics, but also Eastern Orthodox Christians and all mainline protestant sects accept the holy trinity as standard doctrine.



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12-24-2013, 10:30 PM
Post: #24
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There have always been at least a remnant that placed the Word over the doctrines of men. The Bible prophesies about this very subject, btw. The state of the church would become so out of tune with its original state that, besides most of its members being 'spit out' by God for being Luke warm, eventually is labeled the Whore of Babylon.

I'd provide the verses but am about to help my friend split some wood...lol. Will later though, if interested.

It also predicts a RETURN of the true church. That's what's so fascinating to me. I see this groundswell happening. People are hungry for truth in many ways, including what God's Word actually says, instead of simply accepting dogma, or 'the doctrines of men'.

Happy Saturnalia, btw!! Wink
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12-25-2013, 08:43 AM
Post: #25
RE: Example of Catholic Heresy : The Trinity
Tough subject. I like this bible talk.

What people need to understand is that observer's conclusions of the bible REFLECT his own philosophy. People who only look at the overlay of masonic symbolism and dismiss the rest are closet case masons/sabbateans.

All systems of a civilization have to work together like education, law, religion,finace and so on. The west, also known as the Great Satan, is a pre-jewish civilzation.

Our education system teaches us goblin consciousness. Separate everything from the whole, then make assumptions or rewrite what the whole is about. Example is a pretty lady. Goblin consiousness will focus on legs, ankles, hair, lips, boobs, but and so on. A christian(or human consiousness) will first recongnize this person as family. Look for overall demenor, expression, health - as a WHOLE. Super super super huge difference. That, imo, is why people say there is so many interpertations to the bible. You have to look at it as a whole, not tear it apart then reassemble it piece by piece.

My conclusion is if you live in western cilvilzation and don't have a well though out philosopy - there is a default one you have and don't even know it. Pre jewish sabbatean is what you are.

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12-25-2013, 05:58 PM
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goblin consciousness huh? very descriptive.
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12-25-2013, 07:02 PM
Post: #27
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Yeah, I got a kick out of that as well this morning.

So true though.

"If you don't love all, you love no one" - Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson
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12-25-2013, 07:04 PM
Post: #28
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i'm curious about pre-jewish sabbatean?

babylonian?

I thought the sabbateans were heretical jewish sect aligned with illuminism.
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12-25-2013, 07:05 PM
Post: #29
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(12-25-2013 07:02 PM)THE_DEAN Wrote:  Yeah, I got a kick out of that as well this morning.

So true though.

goblin consciousness!!!!

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12-25-2013, 07:11 PM
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