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Kimura recounts legendary bout with Helio +PDEKING info
03-05-2013, 03:05 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2013 04:34 PM by pug-thug.)
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Kimura recounts legendary bout with Helio +PDEKING info
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One day, Helio Gracie, judo 6th dan, issued a challenge to us. The rule of the bout was different from that of judo or pro wrestling. The winner was decided by submission only. No matter how cleanly a throw is executed or how long Osaekomi lasts, it does not count. He issued a challenge to Kato 5th dan first. The gong rang. Kato was in good condition, and threw Helio a number of times. However, past 15 minute mark, I started to see frustration in Kato's face. The throws had no damage on Helio since the mat was soft. At 30 min mark, it was evident that Kato was tired. "What's the matter, Kato, go to Newaza, don't stand up!" Japanese audience yelled. Kato then threw Helio down by O-soto-gari, mounted on Helio, and started Juji-jime. The audience roared with excitement. But, as I watched carefully, Helio was also applying a choke from below. They were trying to choke out each other. This lasted about 3 or 4 minutes. Kato's face started to turn pale. I shouted, "Stop!" to the referee, and jumped into the ring. When Helio released his hands, Kato collapsed onto the mat, face first. Two days after this bout, I saw Helio's students marching down a city street carrying a coffin. They were shouting, "Dead Japanese judoka Kato is in this coffin. He got killed by Helio. We ask your support for Judo Master Helio Gracie!"

After this bout, the popularity of our pro wrestling show declined rapidly. The Japanese whom we encountered on the street murmured, "They must be phonies, losing in such a pathetic manner." Helio issued another challenge, this time to Yamaguchi. Pres. Mizuno of Sao Paulo Newspaper also begged, "Mr. Yamaguchi, please kill Helio, this time." But Yamaguchi seemed reluctant, and asked "Let me think for one night." If he fought a judo match under the Japanese rule, Yamaguchi is superior to Helio both in Tachi-waza and Newaza. But under the Brazilian rule, if Helio got pinned on the ground, all he has to do is to stay calm and be cautious not to get caught in a choke or joint lock, and remain still till the time runs out. Helio could fight to a draw in this way. If he used this tactics, it would be difficult for Yamaguchi to make Helio surrender. I then said to Yamaguchi, "Do not bother to come up with a plan to make Helio submit. I will accept the challenge." Until the day of the bout, we continued pro wrestling shows every other day. 3 days before the bout, local newspaper had a big headline, saying "Kimura is not a Japanese. He seems to be a Cambodian. Helio cannot fight a fake Japanese." I was surprised to see it. I rushed to the Embassy of Japan with my passport, and got a proof that I am a Japanese.

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03-05-2013, 03:06 PM
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20,000 people came to see the bout including President of Brazil. Helio was 180cm and 80kg. When I entered the stadium, I found a coffin. I asked what it was. I was told, "This is for Kimura. Helio brought this in." It was so funny that I almost burst into laughter. As I approached the ring, raw eggs were thrown at me. The gong rang. Helio grabbed me in both lapels, and attacked me with O-soto-gari and Kouchi-gari. But they did not move me at all. Now it's my turn. I blew him away up in the air by O-uchi-gari, Harai-goshi, Uchimata, Ippon-seoi. At about 10 minute mark, I threw him by O-soto-gari. I intended to cause a concussion. But since the mat was so soft that it did not have much impact on him. While continuing to throw him, I was thinking of a finishing method. I threw him by O-soto-gari again. As soon as Helio fell, I pinned him by Kuzure-kami-shiho-gatame. I held still for 2 or 3 minutes, and then tried to smother him by belly. Helio shook his head trying to breathe. He could not take it any longer, and tried to push up my body extending his left arm. That moment, I grabbed his left wrist with my right hand, and twisted up his arm. I applied Udegarami. I thought he would surrender immediately. But Helio would not tap the mat. I had no choice but keep on twisting the arm. The stadium became quiet. The bone of his arm was coming close to the breaking point. Finally, the sound of bone breaking echoed throughout the stadium. Helio still did not surrender. His left arm was already powerless. Under this rule, I had no choice but twist the arm again. There was plenty of time left. I twisted the left arm again. Another bone was broken. Helio still did not tap. When I tried to twist the arm once more, a white towel was thrown in. I won by TKO. My hand was raised high. Japanese Brazilians rushed into the ring and tossed me up in the air. On the other hand, Helio let his left arm hang and looked very sad withstanding the pain.

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03-05-2013, 03:06 PM
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PDEKING is a guy I would like to get on the forum. Dude was LEGENDARY BACK IN THE DAY! So funny.

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03-05-2013, 03:24 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2013 03:25 PM by CTsar.)
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loved his posts. I remember you were trying to track him down a while ago, any success?

he'd be a great asset to the board, the kind of guy that would have an educated opinion about almost anything.
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03-05-2013, 03:27 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2013 03:31 PM by pug-thug.)
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yep. I still remember him after all these years.

dude was legit funny. his trolling level is probably still unmatched to this day. he mixed his trolling with serious stuff.

dude was definitely highly intelligent. No i could not track him down.

Maybe someone can. does he run that myjudo.info site?

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03-05-2013, 03:34 PM
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in some ways attack_tactic is the modern day PDEking haha.

combining science, wit with a pit bull style attack mode!

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03-05-2013, 03:44 PM
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no someone else runs judo.info. pdeking taught mathematics at John's Hopkins University.
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03-05-2013, 03:46 PM
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yes PDE = partial differential equations

I love how he would gloat about his intellectual prowess HAHA. it was HILARIOUS.

i wonder why he left in the first place

I think he was pissed at the yoshida haters.

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03-05-2013, 03:46 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2013 03:49 PM by CTsar.)
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yeah is mathematical trolling angle was the best!

"BJJ is a complete subset of judo. It is for this reason that BJJ can never surpass judo. "If A and B are two sets, and A is a strict subset of B, then A can never exceed B" is a very basic theorem in logic. In other words, all the BJJ techniques are in judo, but there are many judo techniques that are absent in BJJ."

(03-05-2013 03:46 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  yes PDE = partial differential equations

I love how he would gloat about his intellectual prowess HAHA. it was HILARIOUS.

i wonder why he left in the first place

I think he was pissed at the yoshida haters.

yes I remember that a lot of the Japanese members were ran off the forum when Yoshida fought Royce. Circus was one of them. Then you came. I also think that the multiple defeats that the gracies suffered at the hands of Japanese fighters proved his point so he moved on.
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03-05-2013, 03:54 PM
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Yes. I think he left around the time the japanese were dominating in Pride.

Gomi Koed Ralph in 6 seconds.. and they stopped using Cans like Daijiro Matsui and Alexander Otsuka.

He would occasionally pop back in to clown the Gracies. It was HILARIOUS.

yes.. Circus was driven off by the BLATANT anti-asian japanese racism. I stayed and battled it out until the day pride folded. then I lost my drive to post on the UG.

so sad.

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03-05-2013, 03:56 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2013 03:59 PM by CTsar.)
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"Kimura is not a Japanese. He seems to be a Cambodian. Helio cannot fight a fake Japanese."

lol @ this. makes me wonder if that translation is a troll.
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03-05-2013, 04:00 PM
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I think it's real, there were concerns that Kimura wasn't japanese.. and they didn't want to send a fake japanese representative to fight Helio.

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03-05-2013, 04:01 PM
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also you remember that guy Bacon crunch?

that guy was funny too. the dude didn't like me but he was funny.

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03-05-2013, 04:01 PM
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Why are the mats so soft? I think that a proper throw/ slam should be just as likely to knock a fucker out as a strike in NHB.
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03-05-2013, 04:02 PM
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haha Kimura was already a legend back then, how absurd that they made him get a passport to prove he was really Japanese.
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