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The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
12-22-2013, 02:53 AM (This post was last modified: 12-27-2013 07:38 PM by cypherpunk.)
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Question The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

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In this thread,
we shall examine the Protocols,
and we will devise strategies to defend against them.

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It's also interesting to compare and contrast
the OG's take on the same topic.


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12-22-2013, 02:56 AM
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Protocol 1:1

….Putting aside fine phrases we shall speak of the significance of each thought: by comparisons and deductions we shall throw light upon surrounding facts.

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12-22-2013, 02:56 AM
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Protocol 1:2

What I am about to set forth, then, is our system from the two points of view, that of ourselves and that of the GOYIM [i.e., non-Jews].

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12-22-2013, 02:57 AM
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Protocol 1:3

It must be noted that men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorisation, and not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power, everyone would like to become a dictator if only he could, and rare indeed are the men who would not be willing to sacrifice the welfare of all for the sake of securing their own welfare.

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12-22-2013, 03:01 AM
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Protocol 1:4

What has restrained the beasts of prey who are called men? What has served for their guidance hitherto?

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12-22-2013, 03:08 AM (This post was last modified: 12-22-2013 03:10 AM by cypherpunk.)
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Protocol 1:5

In the beginnings of the structure of society, they were subjected to brutal and blind force; afterwards – to Law, which is the same force, only disguised. I draw the conclusion that by the law of nature, right lies in force.

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12-22-2013, 03:16 AM
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Protocol 1:6

Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one’s party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier if the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears; the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new authority merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism.

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12-22-2013, 03:26 AM
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
(12-22-2013 03:16 AM)cypherpunk Wrote:  Protocol 1:6

Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one’s party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier if the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears; the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new authority merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism.

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The above is very true. Highlights how countless governments have been overthrown by the U.S. (through might or proxy) in the name of "democracy".
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12-22-2013, 03:37 AM
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
My understanding of Protocol 1:6 --

- Make the masses desire an illusory "political freedom" or "Liberalism". This is often an easy sell, but beware of those who define the word "freedom" for you. It can mean many things.

- Weaken the existing authority by making him believe in the same Liberalism the masses do.

- These two forces combined will result in political power being yielded over time.
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12-22-2013, 03:42 AM
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
(12-22-2013 02:57 AM)cypherpunk Wrote:  Protocol 1:3

It must be noted that men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorisation, and not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power, everyone would like to become a dictator if only he could, and rare indeed are the men who would not be willing to sacrifice the welfare of all for the sake of securing their own welfare.

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I think this early protocol is very important, because it shows that they have no illusions about violence.

They know how effective and even essential it is to their control over the world.
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12-22-2013, 03:48 AM
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Protocol 1:7

In our day the power which has replaced that of the rulers who were liberal is the power of Gold. Time was when Faith ruled. The idea of freedom is impossible of realization because no one knows how to use it with moderation. It is enough to hand over a people to self-government for a certain length of time for that people to be turned into a disorganized mob. From that moment on we get internecine strife which soon develops into battles between classes, in the midst of which States burn down and their importance is reduced to that of a heap of ashes.

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12-22-2013, 03:53 AM (This post was last modified: 12-22-2013 03:54 AM by Masato Toys.)
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
AWESOME THREAD - thank you cypherpunk, your efforts are appreciated.

What are people's thoughts on the rumors of the origins of this document? Many use it as a bold tool in Conspiracy Puzzling... others refute it and say it as an anti-semetic fraud.

I have no educated opinion on the matter as such... only that if it is a hoax it was a damn intelligent one, and prophetic in its own rights.

Very mysterious document, looking forward to learning here
busy busy for the next few days but will read and contribute to your 'countering the tactic' challenge later if I can (what a great idea)

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12-22-2013, 03:59 AM (This post was last modified: 12-22-2013 04:00 AM by cypherpunk.)
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
(12-22-2013 03:53 AM)Masato Toys Wrote:  What are people's thoughts on the rumors of the origins of this document? Many use it as a bold tool in Conspiracy Puzzling... others refute it and say it as an anti-semitic fraud.

There's a very funny essay that puts forth a strong argument that the Protocols are real. (PDF)

Enjoy.
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12-22-2013, 04:07 AM (This post was last modified: 12-22-2013 04:11 AM by cypherpunk.)
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Protocol 1:8

Whether a State exhausts itself in its own convulsions, whether its internal discord brings it under the power of external foes – in any case it can be accounted irretrievably lost: IT IS IN OUR POWER. The despotism of Capital, which is entirely in our hands, reaches out to it a straw that the State, willy-nilly, must take hold of: if not – it goes to the bottom.

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12-22-2013, 04:10 AM
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RE: Studying The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
(12-22-2013 03:37 AM)cypherpunk Wrote:  My understanding of Protocol 1:6 --

- Make the masses desire an illusory "political freedom" or "Liberalism". This is often an easy sell, but beware of those who define the word "freedom" for you. It can mean many things.

- Weaken the existing authority by making him believe in the same Liberalism the masses do.

- These two forces combined will result in political power being yielded over time.

I see what you're saying. I think I misinterpreted the passage.

My immediate thought, after reading this passage "This task is rendered easier if the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power." was the situation that befell countries like Yugoslavia, in terms of leaders embracing liberalism and, in doing so, falling prey to the machinations of their opponents.
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