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08-24-2013, 02:47 AM
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(08-24-2013 01:45 AM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  So by Israeli logic: if Al Qaeda-linked terrorists attack you, that justifies launching missile attacks against a secular, militant organization with no connection to the former???

Yes it seems that is the case. And if they can't find significant justification enough for their aggression, they gladly manufacture it.

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08-24-2013, 11:16 PM
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(08-19-2013 07:26 AM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  http://rt.com/news/bedouin-village-demol...srael-591/

Demolition in the desert: Israel destroys Bedouin village for 54th time


Published time: August 16, 2013 20:56
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Israeli authorities destroyed the Bedouin village of Al-Araqib for the 54th time in the last three years on Thursday, as the country struggles to relocate Bedouins in the Negev desert to specially built towns.

Forces arrived at Al-Araqib carrying arms and batons as bulldozers tore down homes, resident Aziz al-Turi told Palistinain news agency Ma’an.

Another resident, Maher Abu Qreinat, said that homes and other structures were pulled down in the Negev village of Abu Qreinat on the same day.

The Israeli government approved the Prawer-Begin Bill in January, calling for the relocation 30,000-40,000 Bedouins and the demolition of about 40 villages which the Jewish state considers to be illegal.

The bill was approved by the country’s parliament, the Knesset, during its first reading in June. Two additional votes are expected to take place.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu previously said that the move would “put an end to the spread of illegal building by Negev Bedouin and lead to the better integration of the Bedouin into Israeli society.”

The Bedouins refuse to be relocated, saying they purchased their land in the Negev desert before the establishment of the state of Israel. However, they say the agreements were verbal ones – and there is no way to prove their ownership of the territory.

Amnesty International called on Israel to stop “demolitions of Arab Bedouin homes” after Israeli forces performed a previous raid on Al-Araqib in July.

"The Israeli government's Prawer-Begin plan would lead to the forced eviction of tens of thousands of Arab Bedouin citizens of Israel,” Philip Luther, director of Amnesty International's Middle East and North Africa Program, said. “The plan is inherently discriminatory, flies in the face of Israel's international obligations and cannot be accepted in any circumstances."

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay also slammed the bill in July, urging Israel to reconsider its plans to relocate the Bedouin to officially recognized towns such as Rahat, Khura, and Ksayfe.

"If this bill becomes law, it will accelerate the demolition of entire Bedouin communities, forcing them to give up their homes, denying them their rights to land ownership, and decimating their traditional cultural and social life in the name of development," he said.

There are around 210,000 Bedouins in Israel, most of whom live in and around the Negev desert in the southern part of the country. More than half of them reside in unrecognized villages which lack basic infrastructure. Many Bedouins also live in extreme poverty.

The Israeli government said it would grant legal status “as much as possible” to the currently unrecognized Negev villages if they meet minimum population criteria – but those requirements were never revealed.

I think I can guess the minimum population requirements.





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08-24-2013, 11:21 PM
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(08-24-2013 01:45 AM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  So by Israeli logic: if Al Qaeda-linked terrorists attack you, that justifies launching missile attacks against a secular, militant organization with no connection to the former???

Yes. It also justifies the arming, training, and funding of Al Qaeda-linked terrorists. Is this real life?

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08-25-2013, 02:15 AM
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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/08/24/...synagogue/

Israel to turn historic mosque into synagogue


Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:59PM GMT

Israeli officials have been trying to Judaize the holy Muslim city of al-Quds (Jerusalem) in the past decades. Earlier this month, the senior member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), Ahmed Qurei, warned that the Israeli regime plans to destroy the Islamic and Arab identity of al-Quds."

The Israeli army has taken full control of a historic mosque in al-Quds (Jerusalem) to turn it into a synagogue, in what has been considered the latest measures by Tel Aviv to Judaize the Muslim city.

Muslims are banned from entering the mosque, which is located in the village of An-Nabi Samuel in the northwest of al-Quds.

The mosque was built in the 18th century and is an important holy site for Palestinians.

The Israel regime occupied half of the mosque and transformed it into a synagogue in 1994 when the Palestinian Authority lost control of the region.

In August, Tel Aviv announced a similar plan for Nabi Daud Mosque which is located southwest of al-Aqsa Mosque.

Israeli officials have been trying to Judaize the holy Muslim city of al-Quds (Jerusalem) in the past decades.

Earlier this month, the senior member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), Ahmed Qurei, warned that the Israeli regime plans to destroy the Islamic and Arab identity of al-Quds.

Qurei slammed the Tel Aviv regime’s policies which are aimed at violating and destroying ancient and historical sites in the city.

He also said that Israel is trying to Judaize al-Quds.

Tel Aviv has also increased its illegal settlement expansion following an upgrade of Palestine’s status at the UN to a non-member observer state on November 29, 2012.

More than half a million Israelis live in over 120 settlements built since the 1967 Israeli occupation of the West Bank and East al-Quds.

The United Nations and most countries regard the Israeli settlements as illegal because the territories were captured by Israel in a war in 1967 and are hence subject to the Geneva Conventions, which forbid construction on occupied lands.

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08-25-2013, 02:20 AM
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(08-24-2013 11:21 PM)GMB13 Wrote:  
(08-24-2013 01:45 AM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  So by Israeli logic: if Al Qaeda-linked terrorists attack you, that justifies launching missile attacks against a secular, militant organization with no connection to the former???

Yes. It also justifies the arming, training, and funding of Al Qaeda-linked terrorists. Is this real life?

I wish it wasn't.
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08-25-2013, 04:01 PM
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08-25-2013, 04:04 PM
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08-25-2013, 04:08 PM
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08-25-2013, 04:12 PM
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08-25-2013, 04:15 PM
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08-25-2013, 04:21 PM
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08-25-2013, 08:40 PM
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(08-25-2013 02:20 AM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  
(08-24-2013 11:21 PM)GMB13 Wrote:  
(08-24-2013 01:45 AM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  So by Israeli logic: if Al Qaeda-linked terrorists attack you, that justifies launching missile attacks against a secular, militant organization with no connection to the former???

Yes. It also justifies the arming, training, and funding of Al Qaeda-linked terrorists. Is this real life?

I wish it wasn't.

It actually reminds me of something my dog did the other day. He was in the back yard, which is fenced in, and a cat ran by towards the front of the house. He growled and barked until he lost sight of the cat, and I let him inside so he could view the cat from the front window. A relative was sitting in the living room, who the pup has not quite grown accustomed to yet. My dog could not see the cat from the front window, so he started barking at my relative instead. The pup couldn't bark at the cat, so he might as well bark at someone.

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08-25-2013, 08:47 PM
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08-26-2013, 12:16 AM
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(08-25-2013 08:40 PM)GMB13 Wrote:  
(08-25-2013 02:20 AM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  
(08-24-2013 11:21 PM)GMB13 Wrote:  
(08-24-2013 01:45 AM)BRIC Countries Wrote:  So by Israeli logic: if Al Qaeda-linked terrorists attack you, that justifies launching missile attacks against a secular, militant organization with no connection to the former???

Yes. It also justifies the arming, training, and funding of Al Qaeda-linked terrorists. Is this real life?

I wish it wasn't.

It actually reminds me of something my dog did the other day. He was in the back yard, which is fenced in, and a cat ran by towards the front of the house. He growled and barked until he lost sight of the cat, and I let him inside so he could view the cat from the front window. A relative was sitting in the living room, who the pup has not quite grown accustomed to yet. My dog could not see the cat from the front window, so he started barking at my relative instead. The pup couldn't bark at the cat, so he might as well bark at someone.

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09-23-2013, 10:12 PM
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It looks like Israel's warmongering and disinformation campaign against Iran may be starting to fail. The comments after this article are very encouraging. People are starting to ask the right questions and come to the right conclusions even if they are deemed politically incorrect. Truth trumps political correctness.

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Quote:JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu provided the U.N. with a memorable moment last year when he displayed a cartoon bomb illustrating what he said was Iran's march toward the development of a nuclear weapon. When he addresses the world body next week, he is expected to again call for a hard line to stop Iran's suspect nuclear program, backed by the credible use of force.

But the goalposts have moved a little: Some at the General Assembly's annual meeting will be calling for a more nuanced approach by the world in response to the emergence of a moderate Iranian president offering outreach in place of the saber-rattling and Holocaust denial of his more easily demonized predecessor. The world's focus on Syria's civil war, and the use of chemical weapons there, has further diverted attention from the Iranian nuclear issue.

This changing landscape has put Netanyahu in a difficult position. Convinced the latest signs of moderation by Iran are merely a ploy, the Israeli leader risks finding himself isolated as the international community, including President Barack Obama, tentatively engage the new Iranian president, Hasan Rouhani.

Yuval Steinitz, Israel's minister for intelligence and strategic affairs, confirmed that Israel is alarmed by what he derided as Rouhani's "smiley campaign." He said that despite some friendly gestures, Iran has shown no signs of slowing its efforts to enrich uranium, a key step in the production of nuclear weapons.

"On the one hand, Iran is trying to appease the world with Rouhani's moderate rhetoric. And on the other hand, Iran continues its approach toward nuclear weapons, and if nothing serious will be done, Rouhani will continue to smile, will continue to appease, and he will smile all the way to the bomb," Steinitz told the Associated Press.

Iran claims its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes. But critics in Israel and the West dismiss such explanations. They point to Iran's refusals to cooperate with U.N. nuclear inspectors, its covert enrichment activities and lack of progress in years of Western on-and-off negotiations with the Iranians.

Israel has long claimed a nuclear-armed Iran would pose a grave threat to world peace and security. For Israel, the stakes are especially high. Israel views a nuclear-armed Iran a threat to its very existence, noting calls by Iranian leaders for destruction of the Jewish state and Tehran's support of Israel's bitterest enemies such as Hezbollah in Lebanon and Palestinian groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Israeli leaders have repeatedly expressed frustration with the West's inability to halt Iran's nuclear program. While welcoming several rounds of economic sanctions against Iran, it says diplomatic pressure has not been enough and must be coupled with a credible threat of military action. Israel has repeatedly hinted that if needed, it is prepared to take unilateral military action against Iran's nuclear program if it believes diplomacy has failed.

Speaking to his Cabinet last week, Netanyahu said he would make Iran the focus of his upcoming trip to the White House and the United Nations. He said he would make four key demands: that Iran stop enriching uranium, remove its existing stockpile of enriched uranium, close an underground enrichment facility in the central city of Qom and halt production of plutonium, another pathway to nuclear weapons.

"Until all four of these measures are achieved, the pressure on Iran must be increased and not relaxed, and certainly not eased," he said.

That does not seem likely as Obama, who has always seemed reluctant to use force against Iran, appears set to give diplomacy another shot.

Since taking office last month, Rouhani has said he would like to peacefully resolve the nuclear standoff by finding a formula that would ease international sanctions in return for more nuclear transparency. Meanwhile, he has made a series of gestures toward the U.S., such as exchanging letters with Obama and telling the U.S. network NBC his country does not want nuclear weapons.

These gestures mark a dramatic departure from the policies of his predecessor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who seemed to thrive on confrontation with Israel and the West. In another key shift, Rouhani appears to have the backing of the country's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, a sign his gestures are genuine.

The White House has cautiously welcomed Rouhani's outreach, raising speculation of a meeting with Obama on the sidelines of the U.N. gathering.

"We have a preference for resolving this issue diplomatically and that we're open to engagement with the Iranian government," Ben Rhodes, Obama's deputy national security adviser, said last week. While calling for a "sense of urgency," Rhodes also said the White House believes there is still time for diplomacy. Rhodes added: "We certainly recognize and appreciate Israel's significant concerns about Iran."

But Israeli officials are jittery. "Rouhani will cheat and lie at the U.N. Assembly," Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon told a group of visiting Christian parliamentarians from around the world on Sunday. "And therefore we say: One way or another the Iranian nuclear threat needs to be stopped," he said.

For many in Israel, Obama's handling of the Syrian crisis is a cautionary tale. After earlier declaring that the use of chemical weapons constituted a "red line", Obama recently put off a strike in Syria in response to a chemical attack as part of a diplomatic agreement with Russia that calls for Syria to dismantle its chemical weapons by mid-2014. At the U.N., Obama will be trying to build support for a Security Council resolution making this agreement legally binding.

The U.S.-Russia agreement received only lukewarm support from Israel, which had felt it was important for Obama to uphold his red lines more firmly. Netanyahu has called the deal a "test case" for Iran, saying a failure by the international community to disarm Syria, Iran's close ally, will bode poorly for global efforts to curb Iran's nuclear program.

Netanyahu may also face questions about Israel's changing assessments of Iranian capabilities. In his address to the U.N. last year, Netanyahu said Iran would reach the final phase of weapons production "at most" by mid-2013. In a published interview last week, Steinitz said Iran was "six months" away from weapons capability.

Israeli officials say the Syrian diplomatic compromise and the changing intelligence assessment on Iran are the result of successful international pressure, specifically the threat of military action.

"It was not Israel that changed its assessment. It was the Iranians that changed their behavior following the depiction, the presentation of the red line by Benjamin Netanyahu," said Steinitz.

Pushing Iran too hard also risks drawing scrutiny toward Israel's own nuclear activities. Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons, though it neither confirms nor denies having them. Last week, Israel fended off an Arab-led attempt at the annual conference of the U.N.'s nuclear agency to censure Israel's refusal to acknowledge having nuclear arms and put them under international oversight. Israel says an Israeli-Palestinian peace must be reached before creation of a Middle East zone free of weapons of mass destruction.

Eytan Gilboa, an expert on U.S.-Israel relations at Israel's Bar-Ilan University, predicted disagreements between Netanyahu and Obama in their meeting.

"Netanyahu will ask Obama how he will make sure that Syria would not hide chemical weapons and that Iran would not develop nuclear weapons in disguise," he said. "I see some disagreements because Obama is likely to accept many deficient agreements that could prevent use of force."

http://news.yahoo.com/iranian-leader-pos...04537.html

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