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Nick Diaz Compares US MMA to Japanese MMA
08-09-2013, 05:37 AM
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Nick Diaz Compares US MMA to Japanese MMA
I think with all the boring ass fights the UFC has put on recently.. as well as the BORING ass fights in strikeforce, we can all agree there is something missing in US MMA.

Nick "budo boy" Diaz is one of the most straightforward and candid fighters in the SPORT today, and somebody whom I admire personally, has a lot to say about this.

I will quote his DIRECT WORDS:

Nick "dream fights are in a ring, it's a completley different sport as far as I'm concerned."

Nick "much more close to real fighting as far as i'm concerned"

ariel helwani: "what do you mean by that?"

Nick "well it's cage fighting, it's a ball game. it's a cage game over here, over there it's the fight game, it's the way I see it"

" it favors the more technical fighter and brings out the more technical aspect"

"you can't really stall, they'll take your money, you have to fight"



EY's note:

it should be apparent now that UFC rules FAVOR wrestlers.

Pin against the cage strategise, blanket strategies + rabbit punches.

No yellow cards to fine wrestling stall type of fighters.

UFC policy of dropping fighters that lose, make people more cautious and approach the fight "game" with a lay and pray style.

ALSO NO 4 point knees to the head or SOCCER KICKS totally changes the dynamics of a fight and favors the wrestler.

We all remember sak one of the great wrestlers in MMA when the rule change occured in Pride 13. He got soccer kicked to death when he reverted to his wrestling turtle style tactics.

This is why wrestlers did not dominate Pride, as the PRIDE ring favors the more technical fighter.

Those who know, know! Big Grin
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08-09-2013, 07:10 AM
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RE: Nick Diaz Compares US MMA to Japanese MMA
I will not deny Wrestling as an effective method of fighting but too many wrestlers approach a fight as a wrestling contest. A fight is about finishing the opponent. So a wrestler has to understand this. NO one wants to see another man lay on top of another man or hold him up against the cage for 30 minutes, it is BORING! Wrestlers must understand the idea to use their excelleng grappling skills to achieve a superior control but the end goal is to finish.

If one is scared to get hit, to get in there and mix it up, to go for a finish, then they should choose another pursuit. I also always thought it unmanly to see such large men floundering around on their knees grasping for a takedown in an effort to avoid taking a punch. Double legs are great techniques if set up and used effectively but dropping down hard on your knees onto a hard surface and one could greatly damage the knee and techniques should reflect reality; Judo's Kuchiki Taoshi a much more practical representation of how to employ a leg grap and more macho in appearance as it does not have one floundering around on the knees, it just looked rediculous to see BIG American wrestlers doing that against smaller guys.

I am a fan of western wrestling and it's amazing history going back to ancient Greece and it provides and excellent means of self-defense and exercise. It is great to see a wrestler who understands how to add their wrestling component to the other necessary skills to successfully compete as a complete fighter in modern MMA.
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08-09-2013, 07:50 AM (This post was last modified: 08-09-2013 07:50 AM by Señor Penis.)
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RE: Nick Diaz Compares US MMA to Japanese MMA
Yeah, its a all a game. Not a fight. Look at the Machida vs Davis "fight" LOL Garbage.

Thanks Dana.

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08-10-2013, 10:56 PM
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I don't necessarily blame the UFC for this- they would love nothing more than explosive fights and compensate fighters like Joe Lauzon for having great fights.

Wrestling is killing the sport, as is the cage. There should be no points for a takedown, only points for scoring with damage or reversals. Transitions are pointless with damage. Additionally, change the scoring to allow for more draws.. you shouldn't get a win for humping a little bit more during a close fight. The last change is to allow knees to the head the ground and soccer kicks. Give the fighters all the weapons they need to finish fights. I can't take watching guys put a hand on the ground just to prevent a knee to the head..

The Japanese understood pageantry and watching Pride was an event. Listening to the Pride opening theme is timeless. Compare that to "Face the Pain" and the UFC appeal to "cool". For a company that doesn't want to be typecasted, they certainly market that way..
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08-11-2013, 05:29 PM
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^ great post.

I like MMA for the MARTIAL ARTS.. not wrestlebox

the ring is a lot more dignified and does not favor the larger fighter.
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08-11-2013, 05:55 PM
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You can't see what's going on in the cage from the expensive seats either. it's totally retarded that they kept this MOVIE PROP around for this long, and that it became the norm in American mma. And the UFC cage is the worst. It's the size of a freakin' parking lot. The little WEC cage delivered great action fights every event. Those same fighters, Aldo, Faber, Pettis etc became boring as hell when they crossed over to UFC and started fighting in that airplane hangar they call THE OCTAGON!!

It's almost impossible to have an exciting fight in the UFC octagon. And the American rules/scoring criteria reinforces it.
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08-11-2013, 09:38 PM
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RE: Nick Diaz Compares US MMA to Japanese MMA
STEP INTO THE OCTAGON AND FACE THE PAIN RIPPING YOU INTO PIECES AHHHHHHHH

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08-12-2013, 03:34 AM
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America is killing the sport, no org no matter how well intended they are will be able to get around the politics, the PPV model, the state comissions etc. and still put on a good show. Tournaments and open weight fights once in a while are vital to keep the sport fresh, the only themes in the UFC are title fights and #1 contender fights, it's been the same for 10 years and it's so stale.
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08-12-2013, 03:52 AM
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exactly.

Large Orgs like the UFC support strong state power in terms of sanctioning events. it is a way of keeping new competition from arising.

So you can see from this.. how Super-Capitalism funds Socialism.

it's so easy to see. Yet people still play partisan politics.
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08-12-2013, 04:09 AM
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Pride used to pay fighters in briefcases full of cash so that they're income couldn't be so easily taxed. It's funny how an org which at it's core run by Yakuza was so much more generous to the fans.
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08-12-2013, 04:14 AM
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a lot of people in Japan feel the Yakuza is a more efficient way of dealing with problems rather than the cops.

the yakuza themselves kind of see themselves as the "robin hood" of society.

but at least some factions are hooked up with US intelligence.
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08-12-2013, 04:26 AM (This post was last modified: 08-12-2013 04:28 AM by CTsar.)
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that's the thing, even if Zuffa wanted to put on a better product look how much they invest just to get this legalized. With Pride the heads of the culinary union would've been found hanging in a hotel room one day and that'd have been the end of it.
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08-12-2013, 08:00 AM
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Yakuza and Fuji tv= mma dream team. Having all this fight production expertise mothballed all of these years over local politics is a tragedy.
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08-12-2013, 09:17 AM
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the entire truth will never get out.

Pride was definitely a vehicle that could improve Japan's public image 10x more than Sony or any other industrial corporation.
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08-12-2013, 05:18 PM
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RE: Nick Diaz Compares US MMA to Japanese MMA
I was at Pride 33 with Nick Diaz vs Gomi. That whole event was unreal. I hardly ever had to look up at the monitor to see the action. And there were LOTS of it.

Went to my first UFC in Macau. We were about the same distance away from the cage as we were from the ring at Pride. We pretty much watched every fight on the monitor. And it was a boring as hell show... all decisions until the main event. I really wish that ONE FC would switch to a ring.
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