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Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
12-25-2015, 09:20 AM
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01-17-2017, 08:51 PM
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RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
See about the middle where it talks about its origins as a satire by Lutherans.
Do you agree?

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01-18-2017, 02:21 AM
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RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
It recalls Luther's motto: "Des Christen Hertz auf Rosen geht, wenn's mitten unter'm Kreuze steht" (Hossback, 121). As a result of his satirically meant but seriously accepted works, which soon gave rise to occult humbuggery (opposed by him) in new Rosicrucian raiment, Andrea openly renounced Rosicrucianism and frequently referred to it as a ridiculous comedy and folly. In spite of this, the Rosicrucian fraud, which served in many ways as a model for the anti-Masonic Taxil-Schwindel, has continued effective until the present day. In the seventeenth century Michael Maier and Robert Fludd were its champions. Psuedo-Rosicrucian societies arose, falsely claiming descent from the genuine fraternity of the "Fama". After 1750 occult Rosicrucianism was propagated by Freemasonry, where it led to endless extravagant manifestations (St. Germain, Cagliostro, Schropfer, Wollner etc.). In the system of high degrees in "Scottish" Freemasonry, especially in the Rosendruez degree, the Rosicrucian symbols are still retained with a Masonic interpretation. Finally, since about 1866 there have existed in England and Scotland (London, Newcastle, York, Glasgow) and
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01-18-2017, 05:47 AM
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RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
(01-18-2017 02:21 AM)PUG-THUG Wrote:  It recalls Luther's motto: "Des Christen Hertz auf Rosen geht, wenn's mitten unter'm Kreuze steht" (Hossback, 121).
"Christ's heart goes on roses, when it is in the middle of the cross." It's a little bit cryptic, but sometimes Christian writers have used poetic expressions.
Do you know if there was an occult association with roses or hearts before Luther?
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01-18-2017, 05:51 AM
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RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
from my research no.

I do think Protestantism is related to the mystery schools though. lots of overlap with Christian gnosticism. in the grand scheme they are the footsoldiers or the "good face" of the occult theocracy
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01-18-2017, 06:35 AM
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RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
(01-18-2017 05:51 AM)PUG-THUG Wrote:  from my research no.

I do think Protestantism is related to the mystery schools though. lots of overlap with Christian gnosticism.
What?'

Only thing I see is that they both agreed that obeying the official mainstream church hierarchy doesn't matter much.
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01-18-2017, 06:38 AM
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RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
Quote:Protestantism rests on its twin pillars, Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) and Sola Fide (faith alone). Neither will stand the test of the Apostolic Tradition, which includes the Bible.

My point here is the similarities between Protestant Fundamentalism, particularly of the Baptist variety, and ancient Gnosticism.

For Gnostics saving enlightenment or gnosis was all important. Those who had this gnosis were spiritual beings. The world of matter was no longer important; only the world of the spirit truly existed. No sacraments were necessary, no works of charity or kindness.

Modern Protestant Fundamentalists take a somewhat similar view. For them the born-again experience occurs not in the waters of Holy Baptism but in the instantaneous "acceptance of Christ." If one believes and says the "Sinner's Prayer," one is saved beyond any fear of future damnation, no matter what one's behavior may be.

The sacraments are emptied of power and significance and become mere symbolic memorials or "public professions of faith."

Perhaps I am stretching this analogy a bit. Protestant Fundamentalists may not have gone as far as the ancient Gnostics. Maybe they should only be termed "semi-Gnostics."

But am I the only one who sees the similarity here?

For both groups, salvation is something that occurs in your head; it is an individualistic gnosis. The Church is an afterthought, an invisible phantom composed of all "true believers" (whoever they are).
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01-18-2017, 08:31 AM
Post: #53
RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
Yeah, I kind of see that.
For Catholics, you need both faith and works.
Protestants kind of agree but put a lot more emphasis on faith.
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01-19-2017, 05:39 PM
Post: #54
RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
Manly P. Hall's take on the Rosicrucians.




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It is said of this cross that it is made of spiritual gold and that each Brother wears it upon his breast. It bears the alchemical symbols of salt, sulphur, and mercury; also a star of the planets; and around it are the four words FAITH, HOPE, LOVE, and PATIENCE. The double-headed eagle, or Phœnix, subtly foreshadows the ultimate androgynous state of the human creature. Rosicrucian alchemy was not concerned with metals alone. Man's own body was the alchemical laboratory, and none could reach Rosicrucian adeptship until he had performed the supreme experiment of transmutation by changing the base metals of ignorance into the pure gold of wisdom and understanding.

p. 138



Those Masonic brethren who have investigated the subject accept the historical existence of the "Brotherhood of the Rose Cross" but are divided concerning the origin of the Order. One group holds the society originated in mediæval Europe as an outgrowth of alchemical speculation. Robert Macoy, 33°, believes that Johann Valentin Andreæ, a German theologian, was the true founder, and he also believes it possible that this divine merely reformed and amplified an existing society which had been founded by Sir Henry Cornelius Agrippa. Some believe that Rosicrucianism represented the first European invasion of Buddhist and Brahmin culture. Still others hold the opinion that the "Society of the Rose Cross" was founded in Egypt during n the philosophic supremacy of that empire, and that it also perpetuated the Mysteries of ancient Persia and Chaldea.

In his Anacalypsis, Godfrey Higgins writes: "The Rosicrucians of Germany are quite ignorant of their origin; but, by tradition, they suppose themselves descendants of the ancient Egyptians, Chaldeans, Magi, and Gymnosophists." (The last was a name given by the followers of Alexander the Great to a caste of naked Wise Men whom they found meditating along the river banks in India.) The consensus among these factions is that the story of Father C.R.C., like the Masonic legend of Hiram Abiff, is an allegory and should not be considered literally. A similar problem has confronted students of the Bible, who have found not only difficult, but in the majority of cases impossible, their efforts to substantiate the historical interpretation of the Scriptures.

Admitting the existence of the Rosicrucians as a secret society with both philosophic and political ends, it is remarkable that an organization with members in all parts of Europe could maintain absolute secrecy throughout the centuries. Nevertheless, the "Brothers of the Rose Cross" were apparently able to accomplish this. A great number of scholars and philosophers, among them Sir Francis Bacon and Wolfgang von Goethe, have been suspected of affiliation with the Order, but their connection has not been established to the satisfaction of prosaic historians. Pseudo-Rosicrucians abounded, but the true members of the "Ancient and Secret Order of The Unknown Philosophers" have successfully lived up to their name; to this day they remain unknown.

During the Middle Ages a number of tracts appeared, purporting to be from the pens of Rosicrucians. Many of them, however, were spurious, being issued for their self-aggrandizement by unscrupulous persons who used the revered and magic name Rosicrucian in the hope of gaining religious or political power.

[Image: 13800.jpg]

THE CRUCIFIED ROSE.

The original symbol of the Rosicrucian Fraternity was a hieroglyphic rose crucified upon a cross. The cross was often raised upon a three-stepped Calvary. Occasionally the symbol of a cross rising from a rose was used in connection with their activities. The Rosicrucian rose was drawn upon the Round Table of King Arthur, and is the central motif for the links forming the chain from which the "Great George" is suspended among the jewels of The Order of the Garter. Hargrave Jennings suspects this Order of having some connection with the Rosicrucians.

p. 139

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01-19-2017, 05:51 PM
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RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
Quote:It is said of this cross that it is made of spiritual gold and that each Brother wears it upon his breast. It bears the alchemical symbols of salt, sulphur, and mercury; also a star of the planets; and around it are the four words FAITH, HOPE, LOVE, and PATIENCE. The double-headed eagle, or Phœnix, subtly foreshadows the ultimate androgynous state of the human creature. Rosicrucian alchemy was not concerned with metals alone. Man's own body was the alchemical laboratory, and none could reach Rosicrucian adeptship until he had performed the supreme experiment of transmutation by changing the base metals of ignorance into the pure gold of wisdom and understanding.

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The aim to become an androgynous being is throughout Freemasonry and other occult beliefs. This is why the NWO push so hard to demasculate society by creating beta males, gays, transgenders and all of the other offshoots. This is alchemy 101, changing the human body into something else, and the Rosicrucians were using the transgender symbols 500 years ago....


These are all of the gender symbols currently used by the SJW's and liberals. It's interesting to note that they use the Rosicrucian symbol to represent 'Non-Binary Transgender'.


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01-21-2017, 10:53 AM (This post was last modified: 01-21-2017 10:53 AM by kungfool.)
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Did not know:

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01-21-2017, 11:12 AM
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he wrote that after he realized that jews would not convert. he was philo-semitic early on in life
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06-24-2017, 03:38 AM
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06-24-2017, 03:52 AM
Post: #59
RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
(01-19-2017 05:39 PM)Redneck Wrote:  Manly P. Hall's take on the Rosicrucians.




[Image: 13700.jpg]

It is said of this cross that it is made of spiritual gold and that each Brother wears it upon his breast. It bears the alchemical symbols of salt, sulphur, and mercury; also a star of the planets; and around it are the four words FAITH, HOPE, LOVE, and PATIENCE. The double-headed eagle, or Phœnix, subtly foreshadows the ultimate androgynous state of the human creature. Rosicrucian alchemy was not concerned with metals alone. Man's own body was the alchemical laboratory, and none could reach Rosicrucian adeptship until he had performed the supreme experiment of transmutation by changing the base metals of ignorance into the pure gold of wisdom and understanding.

p. 138



Those Masonic brethren who have investigated the subject accept the historical existence of the "Brotherhood of the Rose Cross" but are divided concerning the origin of the Order. One group holds the society originated in mediæval Europe as an outgrowth of alchemical speculation. Robert Macoy, 33°, believes that Johann Valentin Andreæ, a German theologian, was the true founder, and he also believes it possible that this divine merely reformed and amplified an existing society which had been founded by Sir Henry Cornelius Agrippa. Some believe that Rosicrucianism represented the first European invasion of Buddhist and Brahmin culture. Still others hold the opinion that the "Society of the Rose Cross" was founded in Egypt during n the philosophic supremacy of that empire, and that it also perpetuated the Mysteries of ancient Persia and Chaldea.

In his Anacalypsis, Godfrey Higgins writes: "The Rosicrucians of Germany are quite ignorant of their origin; but, by tradition, they suppose themselves descendants of the ancient Egyptians, Chaldeans, Magi, and Gymnosophists." (The last was a name given by the followers of Alexander the Great to a caste of naked Wise Men whom they found meditating along the river banks in India.) The consensus among these factions is that the story of Father C.R.C., like the Masonic legend of Hiram Abiff, is an allegory and should not be considered literally. A similar problem has confronted students of the Bible, who have found not only difficult, but in the majority of cases impossible, their efforts to substantiate the historical interpretation of the Scriptures.

Admitting the existence of the Rosicrucians as a secret society with both philosophic and political ends, it is remarkable that an organization with members in all parts of Europe could maintain absolute secrecy throughout the centuries. Nevertheless, the "Brothers of the Rose Cross" were apparently able to accomplish this. A great number of scholars and philosophers, among them Sir Francis Bacon and Wolfgang von Goethe, have been suspected of affiliation with the Order, but their connection has not been established to the satisfaction of prosaic historians. Pseudo-Rosicrucians abounded, but the true members of the "Ancient and Secret Order of The Unknown Philosophers" have successfully lived up to their name; to this day they remain unknown.

During the Middle Ages a number of tracts appeared, purporting to be from the pens of Rosicrucians. Many of them, however, were spurious, being issued for their self-aggrandizement by unscrupulous persons who used the revered and magic name Rosicrucian in the hope of gaining religious or political power.

[Image: 13800.jpg]

THE CRUCIFIED ROSE.

The original symbol of the Rosicrucian Fraternity was a hieroglyphic rose crucified upon a cross. The cross was often raised upon a three-stepped Calvary. Occasionally the symbol of a cross rising from a rose was used in connection with their activities. The Rosicrucian rose was drawn upon the Round Table of King Arthur, and is the central motif for the links forming the chain from which the "Great George" is suspended among the jewels of The Order of the Garter. Hargrave Jennings suspects this Order of having some connection with the Rosicrucians.

p. 139

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta33.htm

very good info

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12-01-2018, 05:24 AM
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RE: Martin Luther was a member of the Secretive Rosicrucian Order
relevant thread
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