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Who is Trump? A Most Consequential Presidency
09-06-2020, 04:12 AM
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(09-06-2020 04:06 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
Quote:and at the LOWend we will see Wealth Inequality expressed as "racism" finger-pointed DIVIDED people bickering and fighting for crumbs like the BlackFriday madness of trying to get a "deal" while the Elites enjoy the entertainment of watching the peasants fight over a tv.

I think it's important not to lump everyone together. The Black Friday shoppers that fight over things are a small sub-set of society. The rioters in the streets are a small sub-set of society. I would wager that 80-90% of Americans don't really participate in either set of madness.

I wish I had more wealth but I don't despise guys like Bill Gates and Elon Musk who earned theirs. It's a sign that America can still be a place to win if you try.

You might want to dig a little deeper on Bill Gates and Elon Musk.
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09-06-2020, 04:25 AM
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You don't think they earned theirs? I think Bill Gates did by creating and building Microsoft.
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09-06-2020, 04:45 AM
Post: #33
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(09-06-2020 04:25 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  .
You don't think they earned theirs? I think Bill Gates did by creating and building Microsoft.

Any other company would have been sued into oblivion, doing what Microsoft did.

Most people don't know, but his dad was a high profile lawyer, working for a megafirm. And they were MS' lawyers, from the get go.

Huge amount of IP theft and anti-competitive practices at MS before they made it big with Windows 95.
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09-06-2020, 07:30 AM
Post: #34
RE: Who is Trump? A Most Consequential Presidency
(09-06-2020 04:45 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  
(09-06-2020 04:25 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  .
You don't think they earned theirs? I think Bill Gates did by creating and building Microsoft.

Any other company would have been sued into oblivion, doing what Microsoft did.

Most people don't know, but his dad was a high profile lawyer, working for a megafirm. And they were MS' lawyers, from the get go.

Huge amount of IP theft and anti-competitive practices at MS before they made it big with Windows 95.

They made a lot of money early on because they bought DOS from IBM. That was pretty much the main operating system on PCs for a long time.
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09-06-2020, 08:57 AM
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RE: Who is Trump? A Most Consequential Presidency
(09-06-2020 07:30 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  
(09-06-2020 04:45 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  
(09-06-2020 04:25 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  .
You don't think they earned theirs? I think Bill Gates did by creating and building Microsoft.

Any other company would have been sued into oblivion, doing what Microsoft did.

Most people don't know, but his dad was a high profile lawyer, working for a megafirm. And they were MS' lawyers, from the get go.

Huge amount of IP theft and anti-competitive practices at MS before they made it big with Windows 95.

They made a lot of money early on because they bought DOS from IBM. That was pretty much the main operating system on PCs for a long time.

That wasn't exactly what happened. There were a bunch of DOS variations and they bought one from a guy and low-balled him, paid him up front, no royalties or on-going payments. And then some sort of deal was struck to ship this 'MS DOS' with IBM computers.

IBM had just started going into personal computers. They were only selling mainframes and stuff before that.

But there was IP theft and anti-competitive practices too. I will have to look it up for the details, but like I said, if it was me or you working from our basement/garage we would have never survived those 4 or 5 first major lawsuits.
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09-06-2020, 09:35 AM
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IBM was big in the mini computer space at the time also and they were going head on with DEC (Digital Equipment Corp) who also had mini computers. Believe it or not I was one of the first people to attach PCs to another computer. I had PCs attached to IBM Series/1 mini-computers using BiSync attachments. It was a project I did for IBM down in Boca Raton. At the time IBM had a huge plant in Boca Florida where they were building mini-computers and PCs. They closed it when Florida started taxing them on their international business also.

IBM ended up selling their DOS to Microsoft.
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09-06-2020, 10:19 AM
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"IBM and Microsoft formally sign an contract whereby Microsoft will create an operating system for the in-development IBM PC. During the summer of 1980, IBM was originally interested in licensing the popular CP/M operating system, but the inability to come to an agreement with Digital Research led IBM to ask Microsoft if they could develop an operating system similar to CP/M. Microsoft was already going to work with IBM to deliver their BASIC programming language for the IBM PC, but they did not have an operating system. However, Microsoft knew that a small company named Seattle Computer Products had developed an operating system similar to CP/M called QDOS, for Quick-and-Dirty Operating System. Microsoft suggested to IBM that QDOS could work as the IBM PC’s operating system. IBM asked Microsoft to license and further develop the operating system, which led to the formal contract on November 6, 1980. After the contract was signed, in December 1980 Microsoft would license the QDOS operating system to begin development of the IBM PC version. In July of 1981, just weeks before the IBM PC would ship, Microsoft purchased full rights from SCP for what was now called 86-DOS. IBM PC-DOS was the name of the operating system that would ship on the IBM PC, but it was Microsoft that wholly developed the operating system after acquiring it from SCP.

Microsoft shrewdly included a clause in the agreement that allowed them to sell the operating system to other companies under the name MS-DOS. It was this clause that changed the course of technology history, opening the door for Microsoft to become the dominant technology company of the PC era. Microsoft seemed to understand that by controlling the operating system"

https://thisdayintechhistory.com/11/06/i...the-devil/

"When IBM signed up for Basic and DOS in 1980, Microsoft was tiny (40 staff) compared to Big Blue (341,279)."

[Image: ziff-ibmvsmicrosoft.jpg]

"Of course, IBM had doubts about depending on such a small supplier, especially when its boss was around the same age as Jack Sams's son. But Microsoft had a stroke of luck. Phil Estridge, who was running the PC project, had mentioned the idea to IBM's president, John Opel, who said: "Oh, that's run by Bill Gates, Mary Gates's son." Opel knew Mary because they both served on the board of a charity, United Way."

Geez. I am finding this sh*t out in real-time. I get the feeling this conversation happened in a smoke-filled room.

This was the law firm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Gates_%26_Ellis


"In 1975, Governor Daniel J. Evans appointed Gates to the board of regents for her alma mater, where she led the movement on the board to divest the University of Washington's holdings in South Africa to protest apartheid. "

"Her grandfather, James Willard Maxwell (1864–1951), was president of the National City Bank in Seattle from 1911 to 1929 and a director of the Seattle branch of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco."

So we can see the family's work in support of Communism goes way back.
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09-06-2020, 10:40 AM
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It's been a long time and my memory probably isn't what it once was. I remember working with IBM and them being so proud of their PCs and the DOS operating system.

I remember back when MS first started selling their stock we could have bought it for 7 dollards per share. I wish I had the foresight to buy a bunch.
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