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Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
08-21-2020, 05:51 AM
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Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
would the bobbing/weaving Tyson style work in MMA or would there be danger due to kicks/knees? Is he just so explosive/fast/powerful that it would not matter and he could just walk down the opponent to his range and then it would be a case of one getting caught swimming in Tyson-shark infested waters?
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08-23-2020, 01:06 PM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
Yes.

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08-23-2020, 01:24 PM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
And no.

There are obvious problems with Bob & Weave in Kickboxing and MMA. Knees are just one of them. Bigger issues are that the 4oz gloves don't provide enough coverage to be safe -- covering / shelling to defensively enter the pocket is a bad idea.

The other issue is that ducking / rolling / weaving locks your feet into position and takes you off-center. This is a problem when your opponent has leg-kicks and grappling at their disposal.

Fighters who use Ducks / Rolls / Weaves successfully in MMA tend to take center of the cage, and draw their opponent into a brawl. Garbrandt and Lawler would both be good examples of this. They utilize similar evasions-into-momentum maneuvers to generate tremendous KO power like Tyson did, but instead of chasing their opponent down with bob-and-weave moves like Tyson did, they usually opt to draw their opponents into the pocket and bait them into open trading.

TLDR; the specific Cus D'mato system that Tyson employed (weaving to close distance, ducking into the pocket, leaping into power hooks) will probably not see the light of day In MMA because of smaller gloves, grappling and leg-kicks.
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08-23-2020, 04:24 PM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
Short answer, no.

I like Mike Tyson.

But for it to work you have to have either a very strong wrestling background or purple belt level jiu jitsu skills.

Otherwise, your run is going to be short one no matter how good you can punch.
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08-25-2020, 10:39 AM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
(08-23-2020 04:24 PM)THE_DEAN Wrote:  But for it to work you have to have either a very strong wrestling background or purple belt level jiu jitsu skills.

The skills barrier is not the problem in MMA. Virtually the whole top 10 in every division in the UFC meets those prerequisites (BJJ Purple or 4 years of Wrestling). Trained boxers can't even make this style work in Kickboxing, let alone Muay Thai, let alone MMA. Why?

Reason 1: More weapons available. When elbows, knees, kicks and more are available to you, why would you bend at the knees and coil when in the pocket? Not only are you missing out on a lot of other options, there is a lot more that can be done to you.

Reason 2: More targets available. By this I mean leg-kicks. Leg kicks dramatically change the meta of every combat sport. Look at how point Karate or TKD guys do when they fight Freestyle or in Muay Thai? Their legs are the first thing to go.

Reason 3: Smaller Gloves. This one only applies to MMA but can't be understated. In MMA you can not tank through damage. In Boxing, you can put your gloves up, tuck your elbows and walk your opponent down. Name me one successful MMA fighter in history who advanced on their opponents by covering up?

Summary: The Cus D'mato style was highly tuned for the boxing meta. It's not a sensible approach outside of that context.
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08-25-2020, 11:58 AM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
Boxing is not an effective style for MMA.

For the street against untrained people yes.
Or even for barfights or quick self defense situation.

in a ring or cage type of situation it's not good at all.

they don't have any alert scope for the lower half of their body. plus their legs are usually skinny relative to their upper body.
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08-25-2020, 11:59 AM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
also as we saw with many of the boxers in K1 Max, a few leg kicks to a boxer is a fight ender.
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08-25-2020, 12:51 PM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
"Good" and "Good on it's own" are two very different things.

Hot sauce is good, but hot sauce is not lunch.

For self-defense you need a stack of combat, situational awareness and social skills. Just like a good burger needs bread, lettuce, cheese, meat and more. Boxing is just one ingredient, but an ingredient with enough complexity and depth that you could spend your whole lifetime grasping its nuance. Sleepy
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08-25-2020, 02:31 PM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
street fighting is way diff. from ring fighting.

If I remember back in the day Hayato Sakurai got into some type of confrontation with an ordinary japanese and was KOed.

A lot of street fighting is just thinking quick on your feet and assessing your options as quickly as possible.
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08-25-2020, 05:44 PM
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08-25-2020, 06:07 PM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
it's more unpredictable with HW for sure.

in K1 MAX the boxers never won or rarely won.

I think Botha did OK for a boxer in the regular K1.
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08-25-2020, 06:17 PM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
Botha did OK in K1 but he learned to check kicks and rely on his boxing skills to win some fights. Botha was a world class pro-boxer though, and he still lost a lot of the time. His MMA career was unsuccessful and short lived.

I really do think it's about the MMA opponent though.

Tyson would lose badly to a Couture or Coleman type of fighter, but he may do okay against a Michael Bisping or a Chuck Liddell type.
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08-25-2020, 07:23 PM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
Tim Sylvia was slow and uncoordinated, so he would be one of the candidates to get KOed by a boxer. plus he was past his prime in that clip.

it was just amazing to see all the boxing fans get all crazy when I said K1 guys could beat the top boxers.

I mean imagine Floyd vs. Tenshin in a kickboxing match. it wouldn't even be close even with the weight difference.
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08-26-2020, 04:47 AM
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
was that a PRIME Botha we saw fighting K1?

after some thinking on the matter, I believe Boxing's Success in MMA comes down to POWER combined with speed/athleticism. A boxing heavy approach to MMA will depend on if the fighter has the right recipe of speed, athleticism, POWER. If the THREAT is there then I believe it can work.

It's like making Judo, Wrestling, or Muay Thai work for MMA. Each Combat-Sport must be altered and if the individual representing their primary base method has the right formula of ingredients to make it work then it can be done.

Let's not forget Vitor Belfort's devastating example.....they may have been chanting "JiuJitsu" but it was his aggressive BOXING and the necessary qualities to implement it which made him such a SuperStar.
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08-26-2020, 04:49 AM (This post was last modified: 08-26-2020 04:55 AM by karasu.)
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RE: Would Tyson Style Work for MMA?
Vanderlei Silva was not some inexperienced novice.......he was a Muay-Thai heavy experienced Vale Tudo fighter:

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