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Coronavirus: Japan's mysteriously low virus death rate
07-05-2020, 08:57 AM
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Coronavirus: Japan's mysteriously low virus death rate
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Why haven't more people in Japan died from Covid-19? It is a macabre question that has spawned dozens of theories, from Japanese manners to claims that the Japanese have superior immunity.

Japan does not have the lowest death rate for Covid-19 - in the region, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Vietnam can all boast lower morbidity.

But in the early part of 2020, Japan saw fewer deaths than average. This is despite the fact that in April, Tokyo saw about 1,000 "excess deaths' - perhaps due to Covid. Yet, for the year as a whole, it is possible that overall deaths will be down on 2019.

This is particularly striking because Japan has many of the conditions that make it vulnerable to Covid-19, but it never adopted the energetic approach to tackling the virus that some of its neighbours did.

What happened in Japan?
At the height of the outbreak in Wuhan in February, when the city's hospitals were overwhelmed and the world put up walls to Chinese travellers, Japan kept borders open.

As the virus spread, it quickly became clear that Covid is a disease that primarily kills the elderly and is massively amplified by crowds or prolonged close contact. Per capita, Japan has more elderly than any other country. Japan's population is also densely packed into huge cities.

Greater Tokyo has a mind-boggling 37 million people and for most of them, the only way to get around is on the city's notoriously packed trains.

Then there is Japan's refusal to heed the advice of the World Health Organization (WHO) to "test, test, test". Even now, total PCR tests stand at just 348,000, or 0.27% of Japan's population.

Nor has Japan had a lockdown on the scale or severity of Europe. In early April, the government ordered a state of emergency. But the stay-at-home request was voluntary. Non-essential businesses were asked to close, but there was no legal penalty for refusing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53188847

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07-05-2020, 08:58 AM
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Quote:Does Japan have special immunity?
Tokyo University professor Tatsuhiko Kodama - who studies how Japanese patients react to the virus - believes Japan may have had Covid before. Not Covid-19, but something similar that could have left behind "historical immunity".

This is how he explains it: When a virus enters the human body, the immune system produces antibodies that attack the invading pathogen.

There are two types of antibody - IGM and IGG. How they respond can show whether someone has been exposed to the virus before, or something similar.

"In a primary (novel) viral infection the IGM response usually comes first," he tells me. "Then the IGG response appears later. But in secondary cases (previous exposure) the lymphocyte already has memory, and so only the IGG response increases rapidly."

So, what happened with his patients?

"When we looked at the tests we were astonished... in all patients the IGG response came quickly, and the IGM response was later and weak. It looked like they had been previously exposed to a very similar virus."

He thinks it is possible a Sars-like virus has circulated in the region before, which may account for the low death rate, not just in Japan, but in much of China, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and South East Asia.
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07-05-2020, 10:54 AM
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Also no political will in Japan, to have a high COVID death count, or high amount of cases.
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07-05-2020, 01:23 PM
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this article seems to promote my idea that COVID is simply just SARS rebranded.

If SARS was real then it has been making it way through asian populations since 2003.

I do believe there is something REAL going around, possibly a variation of SARS 1.. but the vast majority of cases are mislabeled.
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07-05-2020, 04:52 PM
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Coronavirus: Japan's mysteriously low virus death rate
What happens to the numbers when you subtract the usual 50,000 flu deaths per year from the US?
What numbers would one expect if they weren't paying hospitals for covid cause of death?

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07-05-2020, 06:13 PM
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Asian have fewer heart-issues related deaths. Most covid deaths have under lying issues

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07-05-2020, 07:16 PM
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Japan has over twice the Deaths per 100k of China. Why is this considered mysterious?

If any figure on that list is mysterious, it's China's 0.3 per 100k.
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07-05-2020, 07:26 PM
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(07-05-2020 06:13 PM)KurtDangle Wrote:  Asian have fewer heart-issues related deaths. Most covid deaths have under lying issues

still doesn't explain China's very low rate of around 80-90K cases on a population of 1 billion

new York has 40,000 deaths alone

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07-05-2020, 07:32 PM
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(07-05-2020 07:16 PM)Redneck Wrote:  Japan has over twice the Deaths per 100k of China. Why is this considered mysterious?

If any figure on that list is mysterious, it's China's 0.3 per 100k.

if asymptomatic spreading is real, then the millions who left wuhan before lockdown should have spread it all over China.

the numbers do not add up , esp. since the virus supposedly originated in China

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07-05-2020, 07:54 PM
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(07-05-2020 07:32 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  
(07-05-2020 07:16 PM)Redneck Wrote:  Japan has over twice the Deaths per 100k of China. Why is this considered mysterious?

If any figure on that list is mysterious, it's China's 0.3 per 100k.

if asymptomatic spreading is real, then the millions who left wuhan before lockdown should have spread it all over China.

the numbers do not add up , esp. since the virus supposedly originated in China

That's what I'm saying. China was building hospitals within a few days, just so they could keep up with all the deaths and the sick people, but it never happened. Yet the Western world went into lockdown based on the fear porn that came from China, and is still in lockdown to this day.

As for Japan, I'm sure that their low rate is because that aren't playing along with the WHO guidelines, nor are they making hysterical reports in their media, and they are probably not faking the death numbers like the western countries have admitted to doing.

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07-05-2020, 08:04 PM
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it has never been explained how those vids of people dropping dead were never replicated in the west where COVID hit much harder.

Japan is very angry about their olympics getting cancelled, they never got the memo about the COVID program.

they are PISSED.
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07-05-2020, 09:00 PM
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(07-05-2020 08:04 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  it has never been explained how those vids of people dropping dead were never replicated in the west where COVID hit much harder.

Japan is very angry about their olympics getting cancelled, they never got the memo about the COVID program.

they are PISSED.

I think that most of those videos were staged, and any real ones were probably of people having a heart attack, or some kind of aneuryism. There was also alleged COVID video showing dozens of people all laying in a small stadium, groaning and moaning as if they were suffering and dying. We now know that is not how COVID victims react.

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07-05-2020, 09:57 PM (This post was last modified: 07-05-2020 10:03 PM by KurtDangle.)
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(07-05-2020 07:26 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  
(07-05-2020 06:13 PM)KurtDangle Wrote:  Asian have fewer heart-issues related deaths. Most covid deaths have under lying issues

still doesn't explain China's very low rate of around 80-90K cases on a population of 1 billion

new York has 40,000 deaths alone


A REAL lockdown worked. people did not leave their homes for 60+ plus days. Once a week, go out and buy food. thats it. No one wants to risk their stay at home grandparents catching it.

People want to say it was because of fear of chinese authorities, but that was not it at all. The people believed in quarantine/lockdown.

considering 14-21 days is the contagious period, 60+ days effectively killed it

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07-06-2020, 03:34 AM
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RE: Coronavirus: Japan's mysteriously low virus death rate
(07-05-2020 09:57 PM)KurtDangle Wrote:  A REAL lockdown worked. people did not leave their homes for 60+ plus days. Once a week, go out and buy food. thats it. No one wants to risk their stay at home grandparents catching it.

People want to say it was because of fear of chinese authorities, but that was not it at all. The people believed in quarantine/lockdown.

considering 14-21 days is the contagious period, 60+ days effectively killed it

People wanted their apartment buildings welded shut and roads bricked off, huh? Interesting hot take.
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07-06-2020, 05:10 AM
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For most of CHina it was not a REAL LOCKDOWN

people were still allowed to go out at least once a day to get groceries and buy necessities.

plus the way the apts are in China there basically is no lockdown

once you go on your high rise patio, you are literally like 2-3 feet away from your neighbor who is also on their patio.

Also since this thing can spread through the air conditioning systems, it should have spread in that manner.

China's low numbers are a huge mystery.
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