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Would These Poor People Be BetterOff with 1st World Problems?
06-13-2020, 02:01 PM
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Would These Poor People Be BetterOff with 1st World Problems?
Feel Free to Watch or Not.......just putting it here for those which may enjoy it Big Grin



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06-13-2020, 02:36 PM
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RE: Would These Poor People Be BetterOff with 1st World Problems?
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No, The Tarahuma's are infamous in running circles for their endurance and ability to run all day. I think they are in their proper setting where they thrive and continue their ancient traditions...which doesn't require them to have an iPhone 11. Tongue
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06-13-2020, 04:52 PM
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there's an untapped source of LOW PAID wageSLAVE consumerADDICT right there, should be good for some Quarterly Earnings Increase.....let them know they are POOR, get to work on cultural destruction so they forget how to LIVE FREE, and get them addicted to some American Dream so that once they're hooked they can never go backDodgy
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06-13-2020, 04:58 PM (This post was last modified: 06-13-2020 05:00 PM by karasu.)
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RE: Would These Poor People Be BetterOff with 1st World Problems?
since having read that entertaining "Born to Run" book and learning about these intriguing Tarahumara peoples I will share some observation:

the Americans go down to meet them. Observe them running in their sandals. Ask the Tarahumara about the sandals; Tarahumara: "You like?.....here I'll make you some for FREE"

Americans take idea back to America, markets it, tries to sell Indian Running Sandals for $70


perhaps we should instead import and market some Tarahumara sharing EQUALITY, COMPASSION, and GROSS DOMESTIC HAPPINESS instead of $70 FlipFlopsTongue
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06-14-2020, 03:39 AM
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What kind of EQUALITY do you have in mind, karasu?

Equality of opportunity?

or, I suspect,

Equality of outcome?

If a society, a culture, had to decide (theoretically?) which was the higher value, freedom or equality, which would you choose?
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06-14-2020, 03:58 AM
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RE: Would These Poor People Be BetterOff with 1st World Problems?
okay this morning, fortune has smiled upon me to provide some thought provoking data relevant to this discussion:


Iilya: "My plan is simple. I shall go to England, Franc, Germany to gather material for an outline for a new Russia. A Russia modeled on the West. For I shall show that the key to our spiritual salvation lies not in religion, politics, or even justice but in Economics.....I have my Bible, my prophet: I refer of course to the great Scotsman Adam Smith, and his book 'The Wealth of Nations'...

Think of it. if you free your serfs, you will actually be better off. A 'free' peasant(now a wageSLAVE). Think of it. A Free peasant, paid for what he produces, has incentive. Your serf, if forced to work for no reward, does as little as he can get away with. It's as simple as that.........



Alexis: "Do you really mean then that each individula in society should act for himself, considering his own interest paramount? Do you mean that the peasant should strive to get as rich as he can and rely only upon his own hard work? And if his fellow peasant is weaker, falls behind, is he to be allowed to suffer?........And if all men act only for themselves then where is the religion, where is the obedience, and humility? I see only CHAOS and GREED....."-----RUSSKA: The Novel of Russia(Edward Rutherfurd)
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06-14-2020, 04:03 AM
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^and in that we observe what I have been smartly suggesting, that the BEST society will LEARN from other systems and adopt what is BEST from those systems .


We see in the primal cultures like the Tarahumara a community of sharing and EQUALITY. People sometimes make snide comments about the "Indian Casino" Culture but if we look into the history we can better understand the origin. Indians enjoyed Gambling the same way the 80s generation enjoyed playing boardgames like Monopoly. When you lost in Monopoly you really didn't lose anything. The Indians(like the Tarahumara) are a sharing culture. So it was actually a great and noble act to give away one's belongings....but there is no real loss because the Tribe would care for everyone. So when one lost his Bow or Horse in Gambling a week later another fellow might gift him a new horse or Bow. ......
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06-14-2020, 04:04 AM
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" And if his fellow peasant is weaker, falls behind, is he to be allowed to suffer?........And if all men act only for themselves then where is the religion, where is the obedience, and humility?"

Yes. Life is suffering.

Are men to BE COMPELLED to act only for themselves? Yes. Can they give CHARITY? Of course.

But does the state TAKE FROM YOU at gunpoint, in order to make everyone 'equal'? No. That is the definition of an authoritarian hell hole. So while the people may be EQUAL, they will not be free. It will be COMMUNISM. And again, people will do the minimum, see what they can get away with.
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06-14-2020, 04:05 AM
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The Scandinavians seem to have made some successful attempt to created and maintain a BALANCED system blending elements of different systems into their own.
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06-14-2020, 04:08 AM
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there is no one BEST system and since we have evolved into a more "advanced" people then it's not going to happen that we will(or should be expected) to return to living like a Tarahuma....but that doesn't mean we can't learn from them and others.

when, through propaganda manipulation, we shut our eyes to the merits of capitalism, socialism, primal culture, then we miss out on the opportunity to achieve a better Society
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06-14-2020, 04:10 AM
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(06-14-2020 04:04 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  " And if his fellow peasant is weaker, falls behind, is he to be allowed to suffer?........And if all men act only for themselves then where is the religion, where is the obedience, and humility?"

Yes. Life is suffering.

Are men to BE COMPELLED to act only for themselves? Yes. Can they give CHARITY? Of course.

But does the state TAKE FROM YOU at gunpoint, in order to make everyone 'equal'? No. That is the definition of an authoritarian hell hole. So while the people may be EQUAL, they will not be free. It will be COMMUNISM. And again, people will do the minimum, see what they can get away with.



"Yes. Can they give CHARITY? Of course"-----and we have seen the FAIL of this in a GREEDY society. There needs to be a healthy BALANCE between the RULE of BIG GOV and industrious capitalism
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06-14-2020, 04:45 AM
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(06-13-2020 04:58 PM)karasu Wrote:  perhaps we should instead import and market some Tarahumara sharing EQUALITY, COMPASSION, and GROSS DOMESTIC HAPPINESS instead of $70 FlipFlopsTongue

Perhaps you should go live among the Tarahumara instead.
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06-14-2020, 04:55 AM
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^as I SMARTLY explained, it's too late for me. Doesn't mean we can't learn from others and adopt some of their good and assimilate it into our own systemAngel
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06-14-2020, 07:08 AM
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(06-14-2020 04:10 AM)karasu Wrote:  "Yes. Can they give CHARITY? Of course"-----and we have seen the FAIL of this in a GREEDY society. There needs to be a healthy BALANCE between the RULE of BIG GOV and industrious capitalism

What do you mean we have seen the fail of this?

You mean government takes so much from people now that people don't have anything left to give charitably?

Or that people have become convinced that INSTEAD of charity, they only have to pay taxes, and the government will solve all problems?
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06-15-2020, 04:07 AM
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RE: Would These Poor People Be BetterOff with 1st World Problems?
(06-14-2020 07:08 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  
(06-14-2020 04:10 AM)karasu Wrote:  "Yes. Can they give CHARITY? Of course"-----and we have seen the FAIL of this in a GREEDY society. There needs to be a healthy BALANCE between the RULE of BIG GOV and industrious capitalism

What do you mean we have seen the fail of this?

You mean government takes so much from people now that people don't have anything left to give charitably?

Or that people have become convinced that INSTEAD of charity, they only have to pay taxes, and the government will solve all problems?



What do you mean we have seen the fail of this?-----


the epidemic of STRESS, ANXIETY, general UNHAPPINESS and of course the cyclical Economic DownTurns which always reveal the flaws in the system
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