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02-23-2020, 10:06 PM
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Hand in the pocket
do regular people do this?

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02-26-2020, 02:08 PM
Post: #2
Hand in the pocket
This was for decency and manners in the 1800s. Very common and not some secret lizard man stuff like you want it to be. Like tipping your hat or saying "after you".

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02-26-2020, 02:37 PM
Post: #3
RE: Hand in the pocket
how is it decency and manners?

I'm really trying to understand

Can you explain?

thanks!
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02-26-2020, 05:25 PM
Post: #4
RE: Hand in the pocket
It just means you're a Freemason.

No other reason to be doing it.

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02-26-2020, 06:13 PM
Post: #5
RE: Hand in the pocket
(02-26-2020 05:25 PM)THE_DEAN Wrote:  It just means you're a Freemason.

No other reason to be doing it.


I tend to agree with this observation.

The Masonic Lion's Paw.


Literally the Hidden Hand.

I'm just trying to figure this shit out like you are.
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02-27-2020, 04:06 AM
Post: #6
RE: Hand in the pocket
(02-26-2020 06:13 PM)Redneck Wrote:  
(02-26-2020 05:25 PM)THE_DEAN Wrote:  It just means you're a Freemason.

No other reason to be doing it.


I tend to agree with this observation.

The Masonic Lion's Paw.


Literally the Hidden Hand.

Yep, blatant 'hidden hand' symbolism.

Before this, the most common way to signify 'membership' to others was turning your hand into a big M. Either by doing the Spock-type V or keeping your middle three fingers together, and pinkie and thumb splayed out (slightly).
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02-27-2020, 04:14 AM
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02-27-2020, 07:23 AM
Post: #8
RE: Hand in the pocket
yep it's the hidden hand..

so I'm wondering why Billygoat says it's etiquette?

is the one eyed wink ettiquette? or is that the eye of the anus?
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02-27-2020, 07:31 AM
Post: #9
RE: Hand in the pocket
there is no plausible deniability with this hand in pocket

even with the diamond hand logo.. I could see people naturally doing that and have seen it.. it's a way to stretch or play with your hands during a meeting

but the hand in pocket is very very deliberate
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02-27-2020, 02:57 PM
Post: #10
RE: Hand in the pocket
Masonic Hidden Hand Sign
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Quote:The hidden hand sign is used in York Rite Masonry’s 7th degree, the Royal Arch Degree. The Grand Master of the Second Veil, or Junior Overseer is one of nine officials necessary to form a Royal Arch Chapter. During the Royal Arch initiation ceremony, he is responsible for teaching new initiatives the meaning of the hidden hand sign:

“Master of Second Veil: Three Most Excellent Masters you Must have been, or thus far you could not have come; but farther you cannot go without my words, sign, and word of exhortation. My words are Shem, Japhet, and Adoniram; my sign is this: (thrusting his hand in his bosom); it is in imitation of one given by God to Moses, when He commanded him to thrust his hand into his bosom, and, taking it out, it became as leprous as snow. My word of exhortation is explanatory of this sign, and is found in the writings of Moses, viz., fourth chapter of Exodus.”

~ Royal Arch initiation ritual
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02-27-2020, 03:49 PM
Post: #11
RE: Hand in the pocket
It was quite a fad for soldiers in the American civil war to be photographed with a hand in their jacket. Both sides did it. I though they emulating Napoleon who was the premiere military idol???!!!
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02-28-2020, 03:19 PM (This post was last modified: 02-28-2020 03:24 PM by Billygoat.)
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RE: Hand in the pocket
(02-26-2020 02:37 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  how is it decency and manners?

I'm really trying to understand

Can you explain?

thanks!
From Wikipedia :

The hand-in-waistcoat (also referred to as hand-inside-vest, hand-in-jacket, hand-held-in, or hidden hand) is a gesture commonly found in portraiture during the 18th and 19th centuries. The pose appeared by the 1750s to indicate leadership in a calm and firm manner. The pose is most often associated with Napoleon I of France due to its use in several portraits made by his artist, Jacques-Louis David, amongst them the 1812 painting Napoleon in His Study.[1] The pose, thought of as being stately, was copied by other portrait painters across Europe and America. Most paintings and photographs show the right hand inserted into the waistcoat/jacket but some sitters appear with the left hand inserted. The pose was also often seen in mid-nineteenth century photography.[2]

Background Edit
The pose traces back to classical times — Aeschines, founder of a rhetoric school, suggested that speaking with an arm outside one's chiton was bad manners.[3] Arline Meyer, in her essay "Re-Dressing Classical Statuary: The Eighteenth-Century 'Hand-in-Waistcoat' Portrait," notes the pose being used in eighteenth century British portraiture as a sign of the sitter's breeding. Francois Nivelon's A Book Of Genteel Behavior of 1738 noted the hand-inside-vest pose denoted "manly boldness tempered with modesty."[3]

Appearance in photography Edit
With the invention of photography, the pose continued but may have had an additional purpose in preventing blurring by maintaining the sitter's hand in a single place. The pose is commonly seen in photographs of members of the military, with a number of American Civil War photographs showing the pose, or indicated by three open buttons on a tunic.[4]

In your photo Ted is just doing it because when you pledge allegiance you put your hand over your heart and most people tend to not want to put it over their jacket. Trump does his own thing.


From https://www.readersdigest.ca/culture/hand-in-waistcoat/

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No, it’s not a secret Masonic code or a reference to an Illuminati ritual. The tradition actually dates back long before the 1700s. According to Today I Found Out, some societal circles in ancient Greece considered it disrespectful to speak with your hands outside of your clothing. Statuary from the sixth century BC, therefore, showed celebrated orators such as Solon with their hands tucked into their cloaks.

Little did the ancient Greeks know that their legacy would carry on a whopping 24 centuries later. In the 18th century, artists began looking to antiquity for inspiration. What did they find but statues of celebrated speakers, posed with their hands in their cloaks. Portraitists began representing subjects in a similar pose, believing that it conveyed a noble, calm comportment and good breeding.

One of the most recognizable historical figures to be depicted in this pose was Napoleon Bonaparte himself. Several portraits of the French emperor show him with one hand in his jacket, leading theorists to wonder if he was clutching a painful stomach ulcer. One painter, Thomas Hudson, painted so many men in this pose that his contemporaries wondered if he simply wasn’t good at painting hands.

With the advent of photography in the early 19th century, the trend continued. Major historical figures—everyone from U.S. president Franklin Pierce to Communist Manifesto author Karl Marx—were photographed with unbuttoned jackets and hidden hands. It wasn’t until the end of the 1800s that the pose’s prevalence began to decline. But, even after that, it popped up in photographs every now and then; Joseph Stalin adopted the stance in a 1948 photo.
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02-28-2020, 03:34 PM
Post: #13
RE: Hand in the pocket
Thanks for the info Billy.
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