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12-18-2019, 03:42 AM
Post: #46
RE: Tartaria Theory
Beards beards beards.

Who is more known for their beards, China or Russia and Turkey? I was looking for a DNA map, have found it before, but it shows that the area of modern Mongolia has three different genetic backgrounds that merge, basically Turkish in the center, Chinese in the east, Russian in the west (oversimplified).
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12-18-2019, 11:59 AM
Post: #47
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JHO, you might be interested in this X-185 theory...

I only just learnt about it. Seems to originate in Catalonia.

http://chronologia.org/en/articles/marfu...ology.html

Proposes a 185 year adjustment to many significant 15-18th century dates.
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12-18-2019, 02:11 PM
Post: #48
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if you look at the descendants of the asiatic mongols, today they are also a fierce warrior race that is adept at hunting and riding horses
physically they are also pretty massive and strong, esp p4p
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12-18-2019, 02:13 PM
Post: #49
RE: Tartaria Theory
interesting viewpoint:

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The savage mongol empire had nothing in common with east asian mainstream cultures, their invasion into China did not bring constructive elements but Islam and the rapes by people which chinese historians call them(色目人), the people with colorful eyes. In mongol occupied China, people with colored eyes were ranked as the same social status with the mongols, why? There were likely never any mongolian mongols, but turkic and arabic mongols. None of contemprary chinese sources ever described the mongols as mongolian, on the contrary, the invaders were described as people with colorful eyes. The first hand description of Chengis Khan by his contemprary persian historian Rachid Al-Din also indicates him as a pale skinned caucasian not a mongolian.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghengis_Khan"]Genghis Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Rashid al-Din also described the first meeting of Genghis and Kublai Khan, when Genghis was shocked to find that Kublai had not inherited his red hair.[12] Also according to al-Din Genghis's Borjigid clan, had a legend involving their origins: it began as the result of an affair between Alan-ko and a stranger to her land, a glittering man who happened to have red hair and bluish-green eyes. Modern historian Paul Ratchnevsky has suggested in his Genghis biography that the "glittering man" may have been from the Kyrgyz people, who historically displayed these same characteristics
The golden hordes were consisted of tartars, kipchaks, central asian turkic tribes. Also the graves of golden hordes turned up mostly pure western asian genes, majority of them are J, I, R haplogroups. The presence of mongolian genes amount to almost Zero.

My theory is that, the Mongol empire was founded by western asian nomadic tribes when they colonized the territory of Altaian regions, and they forced siberian tribes to assimilate, the siberians elements within the mongol empire led people to believe the mongol empire was mongolian regardlessly that the siberians consisted only insignificant part of the mongol empire. Othe reason for this mongolian mongol misconception is the Mongol empire raged from the East, close to China. However, the true reason why Mongol empire started near China was likely the richness of China attracted the nomadic tribes to colonize the vicinity.

Modern mongolians are indeed genetically closest to siberian tribes. The true mongolians were the very first victims of the mongols(western asians), and they were from the siberian tribes which had never been responsible for any form of aggression. The barbarism of mongol empire was therefore culturally foreign to not just chinese civilization also to the siberian tribes. I can conclude that east asian people had nothing to do with the mongols which vandalised across the Eurasia during the 13th and 14th centuries. And the mongols were racially caucasian, religiously zoroastrian, muslim.

Another clue that mongolians were not responsible for the mongol invasion is none of todays siberian tribes keep any memory or record of the mongol empire. And ever since the Ghengis Khan, during this 800 years the monglian literature only produce one piece of record of the Mongol empire by an anonymous author, the possibility that the author was mongolian is still doubtful.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_History_of_the_Mongols"]The Secret History of the Mongols - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


The misconception of the history of the Mongol empire placed a stigmata on the whole east asian people, we are led to believe the non-existent yellow peril and barbaric aspect of the eastern civilization. However, the truth is the way around, it was the west who brought destruction to the whole Eurasia. East asians have always been the victims of western barbarism: invasions, lootings, and also have been so much submissive even accepted the barbarians as part of our history, and complied to the slandering against our culture and people. It is time to see the truth!
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12-18-2019, 06:16 PM
Post: #50
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^^^The Mongols under Genghis Khan and his descendants hated Islam, and were not Caucasian, but did have some remnant Caucasoid and mixed members of the tribes I'm sure. I actually doubt they have changed that much physically from the thirteenth century actually. If you look at the pictures I posted, I think they represent pretty much what the various tribes looked like. Genghis Khan's sacking of Baghdad was a catastrophic blow to Islamic high civilization, yet he spared the Iraqi Syriac Christians and organized diplomatic missions to Europe to explore a potential alliance against Islam.

And of course some of the tribes of the Confederacy were significantly Christian., notably the Keaites, Naimans and Uighurs. Others were Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Manichean, Tengrist, everything but intolerant Islam was allowed.
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12-18-2019, 07:51 PM
Post: #51
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yeah it seems like some of this tartaria stuff is russian nationalism

like "no we didnt' get ransacked by asiatic mongols"
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12-18-2019, 08:01 PM (This post was last modified: 12-18-2019 08:02 PM by Skookum Charlie.)
Post: #52
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Speaking of Russia, here's a modern day Buryat shaman keeping the ancient traditions alive on a sacred island in Lake Baikal.




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12-18-2019, 08:05 PM
Post: #53
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This one is quite stirring.



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12-19-2019, 06:04 AM
Post: #54
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(12-18-2019 07:51 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  yeah it seems like some of this tartaria stuff is russian nationalism

like "no we didnt' get ransacked by asiatic mongols"

Look at the map of the Mongolian Empire, and tell me it doesn't coincide almost perfectly with the USSR plus Communist China.

Why should we assume the ethnic make-up was any different, then? (allowing for variation over the centuries of course)

Europe and Russia didn't get ransacked by Asiatic Mongols. If anything, they got ransacked by a confederacy that INCLUDED Asiatic Mongols. Just like all of Eurasia got ransacked by a confederacy that INCLUDED Turkic and Slavic Mongols.
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