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10-31-2019, 09:15 AM
Post: #46
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
I think that guy is barking at the wrong tree. QTs films were never supposed to be meaningful or deep . They were a mockery of Hollywood cliches/conventions, like Hot Shots was, but much more subtle and the source material more obscure. Tarantino himself classifies his films as comedy.
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10-31-2019, 09:16 AM
Post: #47
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
yeah and they were entertaining, but i don't get why they are considered masterpieces

and stuff like KILL BILL is disrespectful towards asians

QT seems to like asian stuff, but also resent it at the same time. he does not respect the source material
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10-31-2019, 09:26 AM
Post: #48
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
Masterpiece of its own genre perhaps, like T2 or Alien are. But in the same league as 2001 or the Godfather films.
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10-31-2019, 09:36 AM
Post: #49
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
^NOT in the same league.
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10-31-2019, 09:47 AM
Post: #50
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
2001 is pretty much unmatched

it was a film i didn't like that much when I was into QT

as I got older, I began to see it's beauty and perfectionist qualities
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10-31-2019, 10:02 AM
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RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
Quote:Pulp Fiction is not a good film, though I may have believed it was in my younger, more impressionable days, when you had to like the film. On each re-watch, it lost a little more of the magic I thought was there the first time I saw it.
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10-31-2019, 11:21 AM
Post: #52
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
(10-31-2019 09:47 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  2001 is pretty much unmatched

it was a film i didn't like that much when I was into QT

as I got older, I began to see it's beauty and perfectionist qualities

when people are younger and used to storytelling via exposition dialogue it's harder to understand. My dad had to explain to me what 2001 was about. But then you get a notion of how a story can be told visually, it becomes pretty straight forward. God's monolith guiding the evolution of men.
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11-01-2019, 06:31 PM
Post: #53
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
(10-31-2019 06:59 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  his stuff is overrrated, even pulp fiction

trash film

there is no point to the movie, it's just nihilistic junk pop art

just like Wong Kar Wai, whom QT admires.. there is no point to these movies

there is no logos, just dionysian disorietentation

Tarantino's movies make me feel bad and disgusting. So I don't like them and that's that. It's not just cause they are junk pop art.

For example the Korean movie Attack the Gas Station can also be considered junk pop art, but it's actually fun and leaves you feeling good.

So for me it's not as simple as "nihilistic junk pop art". I think Tarantino is impregnating his movies with some kind of special nastines.

As for Wong Kar Wai I've only seen Chungking Express and I remember liking it a lot. I thought it was a fun, light movie.

(10-31-2019 09:26 AM)CTsar Wrote:  Masterpiece of its own genre perhaps, like T2 or Alien are. But in the same league as 2001 or the Godfather films.

Interesting. I feel that T2 and Alien are masterpieces but 2001 and the Godfather are just good movies (that I don't actually like). It's all very individual I guess.

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11-01-2019, 06:34 PM
Post: #54
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
Chungking express was good but barely any of his movies are holding up due to lack of plot and character development

more style than substance

I like WKW, but his "greatness" was overrated I think.

good call on ATTACK THE GAS STATION. classic film that I enjoyed a lot.

Korean films have good plots and development but lack visual beauty and style most of the time
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11-01-2019, 06:43 PM (This post was last modified: 11-01-2019 06:47 PM by rezin.)
Post: #55
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
(10-31-2019 10:02 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  
Quote:Pulp Fiction is not a good film, though I may have believed it was in my younger, more impressionable days, when you had to like the film. On each re-watch, it lost a little more of the magic I thought was there the first time I saw it.

How I feel about Fight Club. I liked it a lot back in the day. And I don't think I was wrong to like it, I just misdiagnosed the reasons for liking it.

Proper diagnosis reveals that I liked it not because of the content, but because it's an incredibly stylish, beautifully photographed movie, with a nice dense atmosphere.

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11-01-2019, 06:54 PM
Post: #56
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
(11-01-2019 06:31 PM)rezin Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 06:59 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  his stuff is overrrated, even pulp fiction

trash film

there is no point to the movie, it's just nihilistic junk pop art

just like Wong Kar Wai, whom QT admires.. there is no point to these movies

there is no logos, just dionysian disorietentation

Tarantino's movies make me feel bad and disgusting. So I don't like them and that's that. It's not just cause they are junk pop art.

For example the Korean movie Attack the Gas Station can also be considered junk pop art, but it's actually fun and leaves you feeling good.

So for me it's not as simple as "nihilistic junk pop art". I think Tarantino is impregnating his movies with some kind of special nastines.

As for Wong Kar Wai I've only seen Chungking Express and I remember liking it a lot. I thought it was a fun, light movie.

(10-31-2019 09:26 AM)CTsar Wrote:  Masterpiece of its own genre perhaps, like T2 or Alien are. But in the same league as 2001 or the Godfather films.

Interesting. I feel that T2 and Alien are masterpieces but 2001 and the Godfather are just good movies (that I don't actually like). It's all very individual I guess.

I think Alien is a masterpiece of art direction and horror, and T2 a masterpiece of action and special effects + stunts.

The story in both films is next to non existent though. Robot gets sent from the future to kill John Connor; Alien enters a spaceship; characters must survive for the next 2 hours. They can be summed up like that. 2001 and Godfather actually have something to say while still retaining incredible production values. That's why I put them in a different league.
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11-01-2019, 08:19 PM
Post: #57
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
^ All movies and works of art in general are susceptible to simplistic break downs.

But neither "Italian mafia family goes through Italian mafia family stuff" nor "Artsy director gets deep in a long winded way" actually describe an experience.

Anything can be debased by breaking it down. But then the opposite side could take out the heavy artillery argument: "More than the sum of its parts"

Even complex breakdowns fail badly, because consciously we only have access to so much of what we are experiencing at any given time. The subconscious part is just so many times greater that even if you try to breakdown something like a movie (a reliably repeatable source of "information") you still can't get anywhere near to describing what the experience is actually like.

This is why I go with the feeling I'm left with at the end of the day.

In terms of artworks that feeling tells me "This is the correct direction to go in" "This is not the correct direction to go in". "What I'm feeling" seems cheap because it's not something you can explain with an intellectual lecture, but I think feelings and emotions are more accurate personal descriptors than their lexical counterparts.

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11-02-2019, 07:33 AM
Post: #58
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
Though I feel my description is a fair Synopsis of the plot of those two movies , whereas Godfather and 2001 can't really be summarized in a couple of paragraphs.

I saw a doc on Star Wars a while back, where George Lucas joked around with his crew that the finished script contained lots of "they fight". Meaning heavy action films are more choreographed than they're written. But that is not to say that action movies are necessarily mindless though.

This opening scene in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is one of my favorites ever. How they negotiate around the revolving table one upping each other each round. So much effort put into it to make it as dramatic as possible. You don't see this kind of attention to detail in Hollywood anymore, people don't work as hard as they used to.



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11-02-2019, 08:05 AM
Post: #59
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
^ wow.

So much detail like you said

music perfectly matching

surreal atmosphere

hollywood has truly lost a step
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11-02-2019, 09:00 AM
Post: #60
RE: Bruce Lee's image humiliated by the racist liberal Quentin Tarantino
Its incredible. Continuation if that scene with better sound:



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