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06-06-2013, 06:59 AM
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(06-05-2013 04:57 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  
Quote: On June 6, the Chinese government released information that 300 people were killed in clashes on city streets (but not in Tiananmen Square itself) including 23 students. Another 400 soldiers were either missing or killed. Five thousand soldiers and 2,000 civilians were reported injured. But by then the idea that thousands (even ten or twenty thousands) of "pro-democracy demonstrators" had died in Tiananmen Square was already rooted in popular conciousness throughout the world.

I don't doubt that some people were killed in the commotion, but the Australian PM at the time stood in front of a camera, crocodile tears streaming down his face, as he went into graphic detail about how the protesters were crushed into the dirt by tanks driving over them multiple times.

Tank man aside, the ONLY photo i've ever seen offered as evidence, is of a bicycle that was crushed.

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06-06-2013, 07:19 AM
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this is interesting.

i need to look into this more.
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06-06-2013, 11:49 AM
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-5...03543.html

Richard Roth Wrote:Behind this is the weight of eyewitness accounts, de-classified Western government reports, and historians' work that supports the story of a brief period of negotiation between the army and some student hold-outs (there weren't all that many left in the square by then) when troops began entering the square in force just before dawn -- silencing the public address system loudspeakers with a volley of gunfire. The last group of protestors filed out of the square to the south soon after.

I was being held captive by Chinese army troops on the south portico of the Great Hall of the People (which forms one of the borders of the Square) when that round of gunfire occurred.

I could hear it but I could not see into the Square. Around forty minutes later, Derek Williams and I were driven in a pair of army jeeps right through the square, almost along its full length, and into the Forbidden City.

Dawn was just breaking. There were hundreds of troops in the square, many sitting cross-legged on the pavement in long curving ranks, some cleaning up debris. There were some tanks and armored personnel carriers. But we saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a "massacre" had recently occurred in that place.

Later, being debriefed on-air by Dan Rather, I recall making an effort to avoid using the word "massacre." I referred to an "assault" and an "attack."

I reported what I saw; I said I hadn't seen any bodies. Admittedly, I've never made a point of trying to contradict a colleague on the air; I've simply stuck to my own story, because I've believed it's true.

Some have found it uncomfortable that all this conforms with what the Chinese government has always claimed, perhaps with a bit of sophistry: that there was no "massacre in Tiananmen Square."

But there's no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square, and on the way to it — mostly in the western part of Beijing. Maybe, for some, comfort can be taken in the fact that the government denies that, too.
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06-06-2013, 12:38 PM (This post was last modified: 06-06-2013 12:43 PM by Cool Hand Vutu.)
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(06-05-2013 05:03 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  Proof? what did you see?

where did you see it?

I saw it on 60 minutes. Also on the doco tank man which was a pro chinese doco.

Im agreeing with you to an extent but you guys are giong overboard, let me ask you this if the Chinese Gov didnt intend on hurting civies why did the truck in soldiers from another city as opposed to using local soldiers?

Also Fox and CNN did a special about it.
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06-06-2013, 01:17 PM
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06-06-2013, 05:35 PM
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^ wow. lol @ that guy smiling.
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06-07-2013, 01:09 AM
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(06-06-2013 12:38 PM)Vutulaki Wrote:  
(06-05-2013 05:03 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  Proof? what did you see?

where did you see it?

I saw it on 60 minutes. Also on the doco tank man which was a pro chinese doco.

Im agreeing with you to an extent but you guys are giong overboard, let me ask you this if the Chinese Gov didnt intend on hurting civies why did the truck in soldiers from another city as opposed to using local soldiers?

Also Fox and CNN did a special about it.

Sending in troops during a protest is standard operating procedure for most governments, including Australia, once the protests reach a certain point. China, being totalitarian has a smaller threshold for what it will allow compared to other countries in the west.

The difference between a massacre and protestors and police/military fighting one another is absolutely huge. Western reports made it sound like they claim in the square and indiscriminately slaughtered protestors. The truth seems to be, that police and military fought their way into the square, and the crowds dispersed accordingly. From the above report, it also appears that some protestors actually held their ground in the square, after military intervention. This would not happen in a massacre.

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06-07-2013, 03:03 PM
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Why did they bring in Troops from outside the Provence?
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06-07-2013, 03:10 PM
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Birth of a massacre myth
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BY GREGORY CLARK
JUL 21, 2008
ARTICLE HISTORY
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With the Beijing Olympics looming we see more attempts to remind the world about the alleged June 4, 1989, massacre of democracy-seeking students in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square.

The New York Times, which did so much to spread the original story of troops shooting student protesters there with abandon, has recently published several more articles condemning the alleged massacre, including one suggesting there should be an Olympic walkout. Other media, including Britain’s usually impartial Guardian and Independent, and Australia’s Sydney Morning Herald, have chimed in. None are interested in publishing rebuttals.

This effort is impressive, especially considering the overwhelming evidence that there was no Tiananmen Square massacre. A recent book by Madrid’s ambassador to Beijing at the time, Eugenio Bregolat, notes that Spain’s TVE channel had a television crew in the square at the time, and if there had been a massacre, they would have been the first to see it and record it.

He points out angrily that most of the reports of an alleged massacre were made by journalists hunkered down in the safe haven of the Beijing Hotel, some distance from the square.

Then there is Graham Earnshaw, a down-to-earth Reuters correspondent who spent the night of June 3-4 at the alleged site of the massacre — at the center of Tiananmen Square — interviewing students in detail until the troops finally arrived in the early dawn. He too failed to see any massacre. As he writes in his memoirs, “I was probably the only foreigner who saw the clearing of the square from the square itself.”

Earnshaw confirms that most of the students had left peacefully much earlier and that the remaining few hundred were persuaded by the troops to do likewise.

His account is confirmed by Xiaoping Li, a former China dissident, now resident in Canada, writing recently in Asia Sentinel and quoting Taiwan-born Hou Dejian who had been on a hunger strike on the square to show solidarity with the students: “Some people said 200 died in the square and others claimed that as many as 2,000 died. There were also stories of tanks running over students who were trying to leave. I have to say I did not see any of that. I was in the square until 6:30 in the morning.”
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06-07-2013, 04:06 PM
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declassified NSA document

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06-07-2013, 04:57 PM
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I knew that whole Tiananmen Square massacre was bullshit, but what explains the government coverup?
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06-07-2013, 08:41 PM
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Ha, no wonder the Chinese Govt try to block it from Google, it's because it's a blatant lie by the west.

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06-07-2013, 08:56 PM
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People also know why China kicked out Google.. google didn't leave, they were kicked out.

They just admitted that they use these US IT companies to spy on foreigners.

even if the massacre was exaggerated/bullshit, people still protested and I dont think they want to talk about this.. because they were scared the ruling leaders. they tried to negotiate with the students.
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06-07-2013, 09:45 PM (This post was last modified: 06-07-2013 09:58 PM by Hellfire Awaits.)
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The last thing that mainland Chinese people need now is democracy. They might be ready for it 60, or 70 years from now, but today? Hell no!

Just think of all the government corruption, petty squabbling, and gridlock that would ensue, were China to transition to democracy within a single year.

Look at democratic India, for comparison. A trash-infested shithole from coast to coast. 50% of Indians shit on the ground, or on train tracks, because they have no access to toilets. There is NO proper investment in infrastructure in India, because the politicians have been bought and sold by the wealthy, who want lower taxes, and because the common Indian is too short-sighted to understand its value. (The literacy rate in India is over 40% -- higher than shithole countries in africa. And of course -- India scores near the bottom among all nations in PISA results, because the educational system is also worthless.)

Major roads in NEW DELHI, the capital of India, are strewn with potholes and are harder to navigate than paved roads in shitty backwater provinces in Western China. Is the government going to spend money to fix this problem? No, because like I said shitty people ---> shitty elected leaders. 60+ years of democracy, and India does not even have a reliable highway system, while China has more km of highways per person than even western Europe.

Liberal Westerners truly don't get it. Of course corruption and dishonesty are a huge problem in China, but these idiots wrongly attribute this to the Communist party apparatus, as if the government is an evil entity that is corrupting the innocent Chinese people. No. There is nothing wrong with the Communist party, problem is with the Chinese people themselves! Always has been, always will be.

All of the social problems in China would magnify 10000x under a democratic system, because then, the common Chinese man will be able to vote for politicians who reflect their disgusting attributes.

Is this really what you want? Which is better, a meritocratic system where the highest ranking party members tend to be significantly wiser, more conscientious, and better informed than the average Chinese; or a democratic system, where the common idiot has a say in affairs that impact the entire nation?

(For comparison, look at America, where the vast majority of congressmen have law degrees. Then look at China, where the high ranking party members have degrees in engineering and science. Guess which dumbass country is getting its ass raped in every single financial deal?)

Mainland Chinese people will recycle cooking oil from sewage to save money, poison dog food and infant formula, cut corners everywhere on major construction projects, litter and urinate everywhere, etc. and dumbass Westards want these people VOTING FOR THEIR OWN LEADERS. Jesus christ. China would become the epicenter for NWO subversion overnight.

Basically, under democracy, China will amplify all the flaws that exist already in the Chinese government, without retaining any of the benefits (e.g. lack of red tape; heavy investment in education, health, and infrastructure; government control of the financial sector, etc.). In other words, you will see a giant clusterfuck and shithole just like mother India.

Even their beloved TAIWAN started out as a dictatorship, and only made the transition to full democracy in recent times, when the literacy rate was above 90%. Same goes for South Korea and Japan.

It will take a while for mainland Chinese to domesticate themselves, and it will happen eventually. but until that time, democracy is totally out of the question.



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06-07-2013, 10:13 PM
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Technically, this is another false flag proven. We can add this to our list proven conspiracy theories.

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