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Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
06-26-2019, 06:57 AM
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RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
Ok yeah. You rarely hear people say the like the lyrics better than the music

I hear people saying the vocal and the lyrics are the most important though.

Interesting thread.

I also abhor jazz.
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06-26-2019, 07:38 AM
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RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
"nobodys droppin knowledge in fucking jazz" -Rogan

Rogan used to be much more opinionated!



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06-26-2019, 07:39 AM (This post was last modified: 06-26-2019 07:59 AM by Dick Tater.)
Post: #18
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
(06-26-2019 06:57 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  Ok yeah. You rarely hear people say the like the lyrics better than the music

I hear people saying the vocal and the lyrics are the most important though.

Interesting thread.

I also abhor jazz.

IMO, contemporary rap music is proof that most people care more about the lyrics than music. There's hardly any music in most rap and what is there since ~2010 I would classify as Anti-Music meaning 'music' that is deliberately offensive or even demonic with completely overblown bass and sinister vocals that sound like they're coming from - it's hard to explain just listen to top 40 and it should be obvious.

Worse, Anti-Music has infiltrated pop and especially, dance music.

Prior to ~2010, aside from Jazz, Death Metal, Dubstep and a few other genres, if I didn't like a genre or song, fine, I didn't like it but I wouldn't call it Anti-Music. To put it another way, I didn't have a viscerally negative reaction to it like I do these days.

It completely blows my mind that most people are NOT INSTANTLY REPULSED by so much of the contemporary "music" which I honestly consider a deliberate abomination. You know how they use death metal to torture Arabs at Guantanimo Bay? All it would take to drive me completely crazy is blaring contemporary radio.

I can't believe ANYONE listens to that shit anymore or can't tell that music has become Anti-Music.

And it's not because I'm getting older. There's still plenty of good to great music being made but you have to have a great system (strategy) and put in the time to find it. It must be so dispiriting for so many of the genuinely talented artists who are putting out great songs to be be completely overshadowed by hacks pumping out garbage.

The Ruling Class must be laughing their heads off and so pleased that all their efforts to numb our emotions and calcify our pineal glands through fluoridation, chem-trails and whatever else they're doing is working so well.

How else to explain that the majority of people of all races can stand to listen to contemporary crap for even 5 minutes without turning off the radio or however else they get their music in complete disgust?

Disclaimer; I am NOT a musical SNOB. I love (great) rock, hard rock, metal, blues, country, latin, pop, R&B and dance; especially house and trance. IMO, when trance is great, it's "other worldly" great but the signal to noise ratio is abysmally low. Maybe 1 out of 500 trance songs are good to great.
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06-26-2019, 07:52 AM
Post: #19
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
agree with you about Trance

it gets a BAD RAP... but good trance is hard to top

perfection combination of harmony, divinity and pumping rhythm/bass
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06-26-2019, 07:53 AM
Post: #20
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
regarding rap, it's not much the lyrics per se, but the swag and delivery of the rapper

it is rhythm as well

but yes the lyrics matter a lot to rap fans

modern pop truly is bad, but there really is no more pop these days. pop is TRAP/RAP/HIP HOP
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06-26-2019, 01:12 PM
Post: #21
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
the problem with music today is that it's more controlled than ever.

it's all data driven, so what rises to the top is what appeals to the lowest common denominator

in the past old white corporate types signed the acts so there was wiggle room for truly great talent to rise to the top.

with data driven technologies, artists basically have to be attention whore sellouts to really make out

they have to promote their own shit on instagram like attention-seeking drama queens to get somewhere

real artists have to maintain some level of mystique, but if you try to do that in this day and age you won't get anywhere

it's sad.
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06-26-2019, 01:31 PM
Post: #22
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
My favorite short quote about music that says it all...

I must make a confession: I am insanely jealous of music composers. It is the musician, not the poet, the painter, or orator, who has direct control influencing people's souls. No wonder Plato banned them from his Republic. With anything written or spoken, there is always the language barrier. But music has no such barrier.

Music truly is the perfect union of math and art. I have heard that the best programmers are also musicians. You never realize how important music is until it isn't there or done badly.
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06-26-2019, 01:36 PM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2019 01:48 AM by Dick Tater.)
Post: #23
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
Pirsig noticed that in order to create, you have to have a certain amount of boredom.
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This is very true and why in these days of iPhones and instant gratification of needs, there is little boredom moments left. This reflects in a lot of creative processes being disrupted. For one, real music.
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06-26-2019, 01:39 PM
Post: #24
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
many programmers are musicians, but very few are good musicians

usually when a musician programmer works with a real musician, it provides the best results

but yes, there is a mathematical logic to music for sure
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06-27-2019, 12:36 AM
Post: #25
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
There's a lot of metal and jazz that's requires a mind blowing degree of technical ability to perform, but is utterly soulless crap.

I'd say a good 95% of the musicians I listen to are white. The bulk of the remainder are white Hispanic or Jewish. It's not a conscious choice to avoid nonwhites. It's just that most nonwhite music (e.g. rap, hip hop, most jazz) simply doesn't appeal to me. Even when white people make it.
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06-27-2019, 07:43 AM
Post: #26
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
hi dick,

just curious can you post examples of what you consider spiritually fortified or soulful music?

interested to see what your examples would be. Thanks!
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06-27-2019, 08:35 AM (This post was last modified: 06-27-2019 08:46 AM by Dick Tater.)
Post: #27
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
(06-27-2019 07:43 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  hi dick,

just curious can you post examples of what you consider spiritually fortified or soulful music?

interested to see what your examples would be. Thanks!

If I had to pick one song as an example for now, it would be Songbird by Eva Cassidy (RIP). It's a Fleetwood Mac cover. For me, it doesn't get much better than this...





It still gives gives me chills every time I listen to it, especially starting around 2:28. And that's really all it boils down to. There are very few things in life that have the power to give me chills.

It's very personal. Any song that can do that for you, IMO is music at the very highest level. Judging by the youtube comment section for this song, it seems to do it for a lot of people. I once played it for someone over the phone and she started crying.

I plan on doing a few posts of some of my favorite songs and the characteristics I've found they tend to have in common.
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06-30-2019, 05:22 AM
Post: #28
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
(06-27-2019 07:43 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  hi dick,

just curious can you post examples of what you consider spiritually fortified or soulful music?

interested to see what your examples would be. Thanks!

I'll be posting a few more examples of songs that do it for me but first I just wanted to clarify that, IMO, it’s not so much about music that is “spiritually fortified or soulful” as you put it. It’s more about the degree to which a person is capable of being moved emotionally by their favorite music.

Details to follow.
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06-30-2019, 05:26 AM (This post was last modified: 06-30-2019 06:10 AM by Dick Tater.)
Post: #29
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
So, in a nutshell, here’s my pet theory about “Identifying Soulless People”:

• Spiritually speaking, people range from completely dead (soul-less) to fully alive (soul-ful).

• A person’s emotional relationship to music* is a good proxy for how soulless or soulful they are**.

*IOW, To what degree does their favorite music make them emotional, give them ‘the chills’, ‘take them away’ etc?”

**My reasoning is simple: The hierarchy of experiences is generally head > heart > soul, or logical > emotional > spiritual. Usually, there’s no jumping from logical straight to spiritual experiences, skipping the emotional. The transition is usually more-or-less linear.

As I wrote to jho; “At the very highest level, intense emotional experiences often transition to the spiritual. For example, at the very highest level, amazing sex transitions from peak physical and emotional sensations to almost spiritual ecstasy, even without drugs.”

So, ITO music, it means that someone who often has a (very) strong emotional response to their favorite music is much more likely to be capable of having spiritual experiences and awareness.

By contrast, someone who is so emotionally dead/broken inside that their favorite music barely moves them on an emotional level - or worse, music is just not that important to them - is highly unlikely to be capable of being spiritually ‘moved’, sensitive or aware.

TBC...
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06-30-2019, 05:51 AM (This post was last modified: 06-30-2019 06:11 AM by Dick Tater.)
Post: #30
RE: Music, Anti-Music, Race & Music, and Identifying ‘Soulless’ People
Ways To Identify 'Soulless' People Using Music As A Proxy

I maintain that for people who have a (very) strong emotional response to their favorite music, when judging a new song, basically no other criteria will matter except for how the song makes them feel.

Why? Because those other things listed below are more intellectual and social in nature and they fade completely into insignificance compared to the emotional pleasure of a new song that grabs them. Except for the broken, heart almost always beats head when it comes to pleasure.

By contrast, people who have a low or no emotional response to their favorite music (no chills, no change of emotional state, no being swept away etc.) will care far more about the following criteria (min. ~5 on a scale of 1 to 10)...
• Lyrics
• Technical skill of the musicians*
• Genre
• Popularity
• Corniness
• Race or sexual orientation of the artist
• etc

*IMO, technical skill and songwriting skill, in most cases, seem to be inversely related - but I digress.

So that's how and why I use the degree to which someone cares or doesn’t care about the preceding items as a proxy for how soulless or soulful they are.

The great thing is, you rarely have to ask, people will unwittingly - i.e. honestly - reveal how important those things are to them like in the 3 previous examples I gave.

http://www.evilyoshida.com/thread-16584-...#pid319827
http://www.evilyoshida.com/thread-16584-...#pid319829
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