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Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars
06-20-2019, 04:50 PM
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Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars




Taking a look at some of the mysteries to do with the Age of Exploration. A lot of interesting stuff that doesn't make too much sense from the 'official' historical perspective. I mean, how did the whole non-Christian world get divided between Spain (specifically Castile) and Portugal, of all places?

Is it any coincidence that the Reformation and Italian Wars break out, not long after the discovery of the New World, and Treaty of Tordesillas?

What about the strange names of Cristobal Colon and Hernan Cortes?

And the King of France dies from hitting his head on a door lintel. Aged 28. ConfusedRolleyes
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06-20-2019, 05:34 PM
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RE: Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars
interesting will take a look
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06-21-2019, 02:11 AM
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RE: Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars
Doesn't even get into the death of the Pope, Innocent VIII (interesting that everyone is the 8th, Charles VIII, King of France, Henry VIII King of England very shortly after this too).

They call it the 'first blood transfusion in history', but a less sympathetic view would portray Innocent VIII as f***ing Dracula. Apparently drank the blood of 3 boys, in a bid to stave off his death. On doctor's orders, of course.
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06-21-2019, 06:12 AM
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RE: Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars
the reformation was the precursor of the NWO and the age of "enlightenment"
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06-26-2019, 04:31 PM
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RE: Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars
Part 2





A strange time in European history. Borgias are at the head of the Catholic Church. When the Pope dies, he is replaced by an anti-Borgia Pope. France invades Italy under the pretext (this is what they say) of launching a Crusade against the Ottomans.

The Vatican BEGS the Ottomans for help, and they send a massive amount of tribute!

Only a few decades later, the Ottomans and French are in an alliance with one another.

The new Pope idolizes Julius Caesar and the Holy Roman Emperor idolizes Charlemagne. The Pope after Borgia and before the one that idolizes Caesar, he only lives for a month, after being elected! Muskets become the dominant weapon on the battlefield, but because they can be negated by something as simple as it deciding to rain, you still need heavy cavalry and pikemen!

This strategy, of pikemen, cavalry and musketmen, in a square, is called the Tercio and is dominant in combat for almost 150 years! And the formation that ends up defeating it? The one that looks so foolhardy when we see it in movies and TV, soldiers without any armor on, marching forward in a line! The fire power of a line of musketmen is greater than that of a square of musketmen (mixed with pikemen and cavalry, in particular).
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06-26-2019, 04:51 PM
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RE: Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars
Quote:France, under Charles VIII invade the Italian peninsula and seize Naples. The Italians put aside their differences in an attempt to expel him. He dies at 28 after hitting his head on a door lintel (officially, any way) and his cousin becomes Louis XII, and re-invades.

The Vatican asks the Ottomans for help, and they provide financing to the Vatican (!) in exchange for not releasing Cem Sultan, the Sultan's brother, a rival to the throne. A new Pope is elected, and he attempts to erase all memory of the Borgias, and also singles out Venice for his wrath... For the time being.
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06-27-2019, 02:36 AM
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RE: Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars
One of the main points seems to be how quickly things can change. The situation can be reversed completely.

The Borgias rise from being sugar merchants to being a noble family, to having the head of their house crowned Pope! Next thing you know their enemies have struck back, in trying to literally erase them from the history books (which raises the question of how come they are in the history books, but I digress).

Also interesting the lengths modern historians will go to, to rehabilitate the image of these crooked, sinister, criminal families, from centuries ago. I could speculate on why I think that is the case. Top of the list would just simply be the idea of:
If it happened then, it can happen now.

So take orgies in the Vatican, that the Borgias are accused of hosting. Or the number of deaths that couldn't be directly attributed to them, because they weren't violent deaths, but slow deaths from 'illness' (when you poison someone gradually). But people still knew it was them, as they benefited from the deaths/murders.

By rehabilitating their image, you basically say "Nah, that stuff about orgies and poisoning, that was just people being superstitious, paranoid..."

Which then translates to someone in our day and age making those accusations, of elite sex parties and mysterious deaths of the rich and famous, we can then call them 'conspiracy theorists'!
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07-04-2019, 05:03 PM
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Interesting stuff about the Spanish Golden Age, and the Black Legend, closer to the end.

Discusses the possibility of a Holy Roman Empire, Ottoman and Muscovite alliance, and their shared penchant for building superguns/cannons.

The Spanish/HRE/Habsburgs end up becoming too powerful, and the Ottomans, French, English AND THE POPE (who is a Medici) decide to ally with one another. Seems like there is a historical lesson of some sort there.
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07-06-2019, 10:19 AM
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RE: Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars
(07-04-2019 05:03 PM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  



Interesting stuff about the Spanish Golden Age, and the Black Legend, closer to the end.

Discusses the possibility of a Holy Roman Empire, Ottoman and Muscovite alliance, and their shared penchant for building superguns/cannons.

The Spanish/HRE/Habsburgs end up becoming too powerful, and the Ottomans, French, English AND THE POPE (who is a Medici) decide to ally with one another. Seems like there is a historical lesson of some sort there.
Black legend modern examples would many....like CNN's appalling attack against Trump on their July 4 coverage or on this forum by Dick in the ass Tater's virulent racism and mental retardationAngry
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07-06-2019, 12:29 PM
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RE: Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars
(06-20-2019 04:50 PM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  



Taking a look at some of the mysteries to do with the Age of Exploration. A lot of interesting stuff that doesn't make too much sense from the 'official' historical perspective. I mean, how did the whole non-Christian world get divided between Spain (specifically Castile) and Portugal, of all places?

Is it any coincidence that the Reformation and Italian Wars break out, not long after the discovery of the New World, and Treaty of Tordesillas?

What about the strange names of Cristobal Colon and Hernan Cortes?

And the King of France dies from hitting his head on a door lintel. Aged 28. ConfusedRolleyes

Good video. Do we know if the term "colonist" predates Christopher Columbus though?
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07-06-2019, 12:38 PM
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RE: Mysteries of the Age of Exploration, and the Italian Wars
ok I've looked up and the word dates back to ancient Rome "Colonias".
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07-13-2019, 04:55 PM
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More interesting stuff. Personal rivalry between kings.

How the Reformation helped France become powerful. And how come we barely know anything at all about the looting of churches and iconoclasm that happened at this time?

Next thing you know, Barbary pirates are raiding the southern coast of Europe, and continue to do so for the next few hundreds! (until those dreaded colonizers, the French, invade Algeria and put a stop to it)
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