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History of the 30 Years War, one of the most destructive (but forgotten) wars
05-23-2019, 02:24 PM
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05-24-2019, 03:24 AM
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RE: History of the 30 Years War, one of the most destructive (but forgotten) wars
Many of the original 13 colonies were set up during this time period, too.

Even Sweden got in on the act:
"New Sweden (Swedish: Nya Sverige; Finnish: Uusi Ruotsi; Latin: Nova Svecia) was a Swedish colony along the lower reaches of the Delaware River in America from 1638 to 1655,[1] established during the Thirty Years' War when Sweden was a great military power. New Sweden was part of Swedish colonization efforts in the Americas. "

I think there is a massive, but very basic deception involved with this war. So massive that to come out and say it would just sound crazy.

But it really seems to me like an empire was disintegrating, hence the war in Europe (basically a gigantic civil war) and the scramble for overseas colonies (which previously these countries were either forbidden from establishing or had no reason to pursue because they were part of an existing empire).

It ties in with the whole 'Tartaria' idea, but where that loses credibility is when people start talking free energy.
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Although the one interesting point was that Nikola Tesla was of course born in Serbia/Croatia, and educated in the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the 1870s. So I agree that free energy research has been suppressed, I just don't buy that it was already widespread and was then quashed (not sure if you guys have heard that idea before).
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05-24-2019, 06:32 AM
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RE: History of the 30 Years War, one of the most destructive (but forgotten) wars
(05-24-2019 03:24 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  Many of the original 13 colonies were set up during this time period, too.

Even Sweden got in on the act:
"New Sweden (Swedish: Nya Sverige; Finnish: Uusi Ruotsi; Latin: Nova Svecia) was a Swedish colony along the lower reaches of the Delaware River in America from 1638 to 1655,[1] established during the Thirty Years' War when Sweden was a great military power. New Sweden was part of Swedish colonization efforts in the Americas. "

I think there is a massive, but very basic deception involved with this war. So massive that to come out and say it would just sound crazy.

But it really seems to me like an empire was disintegrating, hence the war in Europe (basically a gigantic civil war) and the scramble for overseas colonies (which previously these countries were either forbidden from establishing or had no reason to pursue because they were part of an existing empire).

It ties in with the whole 'Tartaria' idea, but where that loses credibility is when people start talking free energy.
[Image: 112539d1370237591-great-tartary-133241172806007473.jpg]

Although the one interesting point was that Nikola Tesla was of course born in Serbia/Croatia, and educated in the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the 1870s. So I agree that free energy research has been suppressed, I just don't buy that it was already widespread and was then quashed (not sure if you guys have heard that idea before).

I didn't watch the video yet but most of what passes as history regarding the 30 Years war is complete lies and half truths. The TYW has always been the event that the left uses to contrast with the so called Age of Enlightenment. It had terrible consequences, i would say, but not for the reasons usually given.

i'll take a look at the vid later though.
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05-24-2019, 06:47 AM
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RE: History of the 30 Years War, one of the most destructive (but forgotten) wars
(05-24-2019 06:32 AM)Pierrot Lunaire Wrote:  I didn't watch the video yet but most of what passes as history regarding the 30 Years war is complete lies and half truths. The TYW has always been the event that the left uses to contrast with the so called Age of Enlightenment. It had terrible consequences, i would say, but not for the reasons usually given.

i'll take a look at the vid later though.

That is my basic take away at this point. That they aren't lying so much about the war itself, but they are lying by omission. Leaving out aspects of the War, such as what led to it. What I mean is, they are lying about things that happened which AREN'T admitted to have been part of the war.

For one, how does a war go on that long? They admit that there could have been peace in 1628/29 but that Jesuit advisors pushed for too much, reigniting the conflict.

How many monarchs died during this time? That deserves to be looked at. Of course it is 30 years, and a 30 year reign is fairly uncommon, but the war starts basically as the Romanovs come to power after a 'time of trouble' in Russia. And the Ottoman empire has a huge turnover of Sultans at this time. Holy Roman Emperor dies just a few months after the defenestration of Prague. Sure is convenient!
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05-24-2019, 07:08 AM
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They don't have to lie about history. No one reads books.
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05-24-2019, 09:07 AM
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(05-24-2019 07:08 AM)jho Wrote:  They don't have to lie about history. No one reads books.

This is an interesting aspect of the Game of Thrones finale, recently (which I have not watched, only watched criticisms of it). Everyone is saying "Oh, but the acting was great. The costumers were fantastic. Hair design, wow! Sets were terrific! My only problem was with the writing."

Umm... Isn't quality writing much more important to a STORY than the costumes? And how does acting matter, if the dialogue and the scenes to be acted out, suck?

Writing is the most important factor. Looks like people are really taking the piss out of the finale though, which is amusing to watch. Only people that started watching in the last year or two seem to be OK with it.
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05-30-2019, 04:32 PM
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05-31-2019, 02:57 AM
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Hey EY, do you know much, if anything, about the Ming -> Qing transition?
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06-05-2019, 03:32 PM
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Some interesting stuff. Seems like a crazy f***in' time period.



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06-06-2019, 05:37 AM (This post was last modified: 06-06-2019 05:39 AM by Chaos Reigns.)
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Crazy time period. One of the things that stands out to me, doesn't make sense in traditional history/chronology, is that Poland and Sweden were at their most MASSIVE in their entire histories, at this time.

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Sweden even had colonies in Africa, and the Caribbean (although this was later), and in America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Gold_Coast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden

Apparently the Swedes introduced the log cabin to America! OK... You know who else was considered really good woodworkers at that time???

And Poland was in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

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I can't think of any other time that Poland was this massive, and influential. It just doesn't make sense to me geographically and historically. This country that is either dominated by Russia or Germany, or both, time and time again, is dominant over much of the Baltic states, Ukraine, Belarus, and even a really strategic part of Russia (Smolensk is important for river transport in ALL directions).

I am still running with the idea that there was a massive empire, and that it dissolved/broke up. But it wasn't enough to break it up, they had to erase even its memory. Its history! Crazy shit, like I said.
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