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04-09-2019, 07:23 AM
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Whispering Beta Males and Alpha Billionaires
5:11 The Goodness paradox by Richard Wrangham
In this “Budget Special” episode, we will talk about tax and money and fairness and equality but let’s set the scene by first discussing us as a species.

How did we evolve as a species?

The Goodness Paradox by Richard Wrangham

We are low on the scale of reactive aggression (a hot reaction of lashing out and losing one’s temper) but high on the scale of proactive aggression( cold planned and deliberate).

Tolerance is rare in wild animals but common in domesticated animals. Humans are a domesticated version of an earlier human ancestor. We differ from our ancestors like a dog differs from a wolf. How did that happen? We self-domesticated through the selective force of execution which reduced our reactive aggression

Primitive hunter-gatherer tribes show very little infighting but high levels of inter-tribal violence. Among small scale societies such as hunter-gatherers, the kill rate is higher than rates recorded in Russia, Germany, France, Sweden and Japan from 1900 to 1990.

Reactive murderers have less activity in their prefrontal cortex associated with low concentrations of serotonin. The pre-frontal cortex underperforms.

Psychopaths use proactive aggression. They have lower activity in their amygdalae. The amygdalae underperforms.

Studies show that the two types of aggression can evolve separately.

Humans are far more domesticated than any other animal. We have inbuilt desires to co-operate and a high threshold before producing reactive aggression. Why?

Domestication has surprising biological markers. Floppy ears, white spots, smaller bodies, shorter faces, feminised males, smaller brains but not smaller cognitive ability. These are non-adaptive responses in that they don’t serve a useful purpose. Like a male nipple.

1959 fox experiment started. By the 4th generation, they were wagging their tales. After 10 years, piebald spotting appeared.

Neural-crest cell migration

Neural-crest cells are unique. They appear in embryos, migrate through the embryo but disappear very early however many organs are at least partly derived from them. Melanocytes rely heavily on neural-crest cells. If the neural-crest cells migrate slowly and disappear before reaching the tips of the body then the melanocytes don’t get there either resulting in tips and tails that lack melanin and end up white-haired.

Neural-crest cells give rise to the adrenal gland. Reduce it and you consequently reduce hormone production and consequentially reduce emotional reactivity.

Neural-cell migration affects jaw size and teeth size. Slow migration leads to smaller versions. Ears are floppy if internal cartilage is too short. Again, dependent on Neural-crest cell migration.

Brain size reduction seems to be associated with Neural-crest cell migration. The reduction seems to be in areas concerned with sensory processing and also seems to be associated with a smaller amygdalae.

Has domestication occurred in the wild?

Yes, Bonobos and Chimpanzees. Separated by the Congo River. Bonobos have higher levels of serotonin, smaller brains, shorter faces, smaller teeth and the males are more feminised. Also, more homosexual activity. There must have been selection against aggression which resulted in a domestication syndrome. Bonobos had better food sources (no gorillas). Females didn’t have to travel so far so could form larger sub-groups who became big enough and co-operative enough to fight off bullying males.

Could human females have done the same? No evidence of this. More likely is capital punishment.

Studies show capital punishment in every inhabited continent including the Inuit, North American Indians, Australian Aborigines and African foragers.

The famously peaceful bushmen of the Kalahari killed a murderer amongst them. Everyone stabbed him. An Eskimo group, the headman, with the approval of the community, shot a murderer. Sometimes Australian Aboriginals would hand the victim over to a vengeance party from a neighbouring tribe and let them do the killing. Even social transgressions. Aboriginal women killed for observing secret men’s business. Sometimes an almost claustrophobic adherence to group norms. WW2 concentration camps. Thieves were killed.

Humans had language and were able to plot. Thus able to kill an alpha with minimal risk.

It seems Neanderthals were less socially adept.

The point test. Wolves fail. Chimpanzees fail. Dogs pass. Wild foxes failed. Domesticated foxes passed. Reduced fear allows the animal to look more closely at the human signals.

We fear the killing power of men in our group so we obey group norms and look after our group members but we are very ready to kill foreigners.

Untutored children have very prosocial inclinations. Shame and embarrasssment are useful signs of how important it is to conform to group norms.

A new kind of dominance. The limited power of the alpha male has been replaced with the absolute power of the male coalition. Strongly conformist behaviours provided a safe passage through life.

Coalitionary proactive aggression has brought great good, but also enormous harm in the form of wars.

Language based conspiracy gave whispering beta males the power to join forces and kill alpha male bullies. The selection against alpha males led to males becoming, for the first time, egalitarian. Who knows how we might evolve over the next 300,000 years but if would-be despots escape sanctions then the process could go into reverse.

Thoughts:

Individual freedom is a recent invention and is contrary to our evolutionary development.

Beta males have forgotten how to pull alpha males into line. Modern society is allowing aggressive alpha males to flourish where before they may have perished. Eg Alex Jones of Info Wars and Jeff Bezos.

26:15 The 12th Man gives a Japanese example.

30:25 We don’t need Billionaires. And they are bad for us.
From Umair Haque

Do societies need billionaires, or do billionaires need societies? Which one is more true?

As I read this, think about Jeff Besoz, the world’s richest man.

The justification for billionaires — which is a product of American thinking, that then spread around the globe — goes something like this. Without billionaires, we won’t have progress, wealth, riches, security, or fortune. In short, billionaires equal prosperity. It’s trickle-down economics, in a slightly cleverer disguise.

[or, Billionaires have earned their money so they should keep it]

Now let’s look at reality. Do you see any of these grandiose, amazing, mythical benefits of billionaires having, well, actually materialized in America? I don’t. It’s self-evident to see that the rise of billionaires didn’t result in prosperity, wealth, riches, fortune. The average American is broke. He lives paycheck to paycheck. He’s crushed by debt he can never repay. He lives a life of psychoeconomic trauma, something like a neo-peasant, constantly worrying if his overlord will dispossess him just because the harvest — which is beyond his power to control — failed. It’s a terrible plight. Billionaires didn’t make any of that go away — in fact, they seemed to make it happen.

Europeans societies have (far) fewer billionaires. But they have much, much greater progress. Along every single dimension you can imagine, and then some. They have functioning healthcare, retirement, education, media, and so forth — and people have higher incomes and savings, too. Billionaires don’t equal progress. In fact, the precise opposite is true — preventing millionaires from becoming billionaires results in progress. That is why Europe is at a higher level of development than America today — it is a social democracy, whereas America is still an industrial capitalist economy, just a decayed, decrepit one now.

The American version — or the capitalist version — of the myth of prosperity goes like this. I will only do something to benefit you if you pay me to do it. … the more I am paid, the more whatever I have done must have benefited everyone.

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04-09-2019, 07:24 AM
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but] … Jonas Salk gave away the polio vaccine. Do you know what he had to say about that? “Can you patent the sun?” The inventors of insulin, too, intended their discovery to be made free. Sir Tim Berners Lee didn’t patent the WWW and make a killing — he made it public. Einstein and Newton didn’t charge anyone billions for discovering gravity and relativity — which went on to be the linchpins of two industrial revolutions.

The greatest discoveries and inventions in history have never come from the greedy, selfish, and predatory — that’s a myth capitalism wants you to believe, but it’s badly wrong. They have all — every single one — come from imaginative, curious, determined minds, who found things so mysterious and awesome, they could only give them away, in the end, share them.

… what are billionaires really doing? Well, they are essentially finding ways to “privatize” portions of those wonderful gifts, which are really all of our birthright.

Billionaires are just finding ways to hoard progress … billionaires aren’t creating prosperity. In fact, they are sitting atop a series of public goods — vaccines, antibiotics, the WWW, roads, hospitals, electricity, the alphabet — and simply finding ways to privatize their benefits, and, often socialize the losses accrued along the way. When an internet billionaire carves off a chunk of the WWW — that’s privatizing a public good. When a pharma company charges a huge fortune for some new drug — that’s privatizing many public goods, which the discovery of that drug rested upon. Billionaires aren’t the creators of prosperity. They’re it’s monopolists, its predators, the sharks cruising the waters of civilization.

[so Billionaires rely on the civilization built by our ancestors. They rely on it more than average workers therefore they should pay more]

Back to Jeff Besoz and Amazon

Capitalism is failing in America, and Amazon is both the cause and beneficiary of much of the breakdown. Jeff Bezos said, “We’ve had three big ideas at Amazon that we’ve stuck with for 18 years, and they’re the reason we’re successful: Put the customer first. Invent. And be patient.” He might have added three capitalist practices familiar to his company: (1) Pay no taxes; (2) Drive competitors out of business; and (3) Exploit workers.

There are essentially three positions that a thinking person — at this juncture in human history — should take when it comes to billionaires. One, a society shouldn’t have billionaires, period. Two, a society shouldn’t have billionaires while a single child or adult still lives in poverty. Three, a society shouldn’t have billionaires until everyone (and that means everyone) has something like a decent middle class life.

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04-09-2019, 07:27 AM
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Quote:Now let’s look at reality. Do you see any of these grandiose, amazing, mythical benefits of billionaires having, well, actually materialized in America? I don’t. It’s self-evident to see that the rise of billionaires didn’t result in prosperity, wealth, riches, fortune. The average American is broke. He lives paycheck to paycheck. He’s crushed by debt he can never repay. He lives a life of psychoeconomic trauma, something like a neo-peasant, constantly worrying if his overlord will dispossess him just because the harvest — which is beyond his power to control — failed. It’s a terrible plight. Billionaires didn’t make any of that go away — in fact, they seemed to make it happen.

yep. Americans are living MORE insecure lives than ever

in the 1950's an AMERICAN MALE working a job could pay for a house car, education, kids and have a stay at home wife.

Having a stay at home wife is a LUXURY only for the rich these days. in fact the only people I know with a stay at home wife are RICH PEOPLE

this is precisely why UBI is good.. extra 1K a month will make you more VOCAL and SECURE.. people living paycheck to paycheck DO NOT HAVE THE BALLS TO SPEAK UP!
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04-09-2019, 07:31 AM
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in a traditional animal pack, the BETAS keep the alpha male accountable

if the alpha male is NOT JUST AND FAIR.. the betas will step up and dethrone him.

Alphas has to be fair for the most part.

the problem with HUMAN SOCIETY is that there are really no alpha males to hold accountable.. in the past there were MONARCHS that acted as the ALPHAS and were accountable

now it's just the SYSTEM.. the GREAT WORK

psychopathic men have colluded to create GUILDS and COALITIONS/fraternities to EXERT alpha control FROM THE SHADOWS

big problems folks
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04-09-2019, 08:57 AM
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Good thread
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04-09-2019, 09:02 AM
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The way I conceive of a billionaire, is someone who is willing to steal $1 from a billion people.

Doesn't seem like much, does it? Until you realize how many people were stolen from.
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04-09-2019, 09:09 AM
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merchants were looked down upon precisely to keep the NOBILITY from engaging in trade

this was done to prevent the rulers from getting into commercial interests.

the businessman was the lowest of the low, comparable to the prostitute in traditional society

now the world celebrates the businessman as the highest.. even higher than the scholar
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04-09-2019, 10:29 AM
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The natgeo worldview doesn't work when you try to apply it to silicon valley types. Bezos is imo naturally closer to Elliot Rodgers than he is to Donald Trump . But he was able to sublimate his inner frustration and sociopathy and make billions, even then, he's not able to procreate with a prime-time female.
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04-09-2019, 10:32 AM
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(04-09-2019 07:31 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  in a traditional animal pack, the BETAS keep the alpha male accountable

if the alpha male is NOT JUST AND FAIR.. the betas will step up and dethrone him.

that's why you have to have enforced monogamy. With sex-lib comes female hypergamy and beta-male uprising.
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04-09-2019, 10:38 AM
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(04-09-2019 10:29 AM)CTsar Wrote:  The natgeo worldview doesn't work when you try to apply it to with silicon valley types. Bezos is imo naturally closer to Elliot Rodgers than he is to Donald Trump . But he was able to sublimate his inner frustration and sociopathy and make billions, even then, he's not able to procreate with a prime-time female.

Good post

not only that though... they sublimate their desire to be alpha into their algorithims

so the algo becomes the alpha leading the herd.. and not a specific alpha psychopath inflicting damage.

the story of silicon valley is the revenge of the nerd, but like you said, even then with a lot of these tech types and their billions, they cannot attract first class tail and even if they could due to their wealth they would be too insecure to pursue it.

it's just amazing what is happening

also what happens with domestication is that males become more and more feminine as the traits needed to survive have rapidly changed into tolerance, acting, being fake etc.

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04-09-2019, 10:41 AM
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(04-09-2019 10:32 AM)CTsar Wrote:  
(04-09-2019 07:31 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  in a traditional animal pack, the BETAS keep the alpha male accountable

if the alpha male is NOT JUST AND FAIR.. the betas will step up and dethrone him.

that's why you have to have enforced monogamy. With sex-lib comes female hypergamy and beta-male uprising.


yep. and that is what the church is for.

IN asia , it's enforced through social shame and cultural conservatism.

in the west it was always enforced through the fear of God.

Also, it just boggles my mind how they can PROMOTE cheating so blatantly in the media when they know the outcomes for children of single or divorced parents is WORSE.

the thing is people don't speak up. they are living month to month and can't rock the boat. That is why UBI and basic subsistence is needed.

With a cushion, more people will speak out. If it's not UBI there needs to be MORE equitable distribution of wealth. Right now it's just ridiculous in the US, there is more income inequality in the US than in CHINA.

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04-09-2019, 10:50 AM
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i was shocked looking at one of my friends use tinder

dude was like flicking girls pics left and right like a game.

complete objectification of the sexes, yet this is seen as progressive

meanwhile, compliment a lady's look in real life and now they say it's harassment.

the problem with libtard regressives is that they dont' make sense. there is no consistency.

that is why I like Yang, he might be a liberal but he's a consistent one with a worldview that is coherent

and in reality, a functioning society would address both liberal needs as well as conservative needs

the problem in our society today is that both groups are using politics as a means to enrich themselves.

congress can trade on inside information, yet no one cares. how is this even possible?

A political pundit questions a school shooting and becomes a pariah, meanwhile the media promotes the claim of false WMD that led to death of 10s of thousands of children and women in the middle east.. yet they are hailed as patriots. how is this even possible?

We are truly living in a TRUMAN SHOW reality.. and I really don't get why people aren't speaking up.

I'm not talking about revolting.. just talk about it.. TALK SHIT ABOUT IT to your friends.. even that isn't happening. even online the conversations are getting more and more diluted and inane.
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04-09-2019, 04:21 PM
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very interesting, good reading, great thread!
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04-09-2019, 04:26 PM
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another excellent example is the Insurance Industry Scam which CONS people out of their money and then finds every excuse not to pay and how easily people are manipulated into supporting that OBVIOUS nonsense of a predatory business practice which is a CLEAR CONFLICT of INTEREST because TRICKLE DOWN CAPITALISM eventually works and EVERYONE will be RICH Tongue
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04-09-2019, 04:37 PM
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(04-09-2019 10:50 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  i was shocked looking at one of my friends use tinder

dude was like flicking girls pics left and right like a game.

complete objectification of the sexes, yet this is seen as progressive

meanwhile, compliment a lady's look in real life and now they say it's harassment.

the problem with libtard regressives is that they dont' make sense. there is no consistency.

that is why I like Yang, he might be a liberal but he's a consistent one with a worldview that is coherent

and in reality, a functioning society would address both liberal needs as well as conservative needs

the problem in our society today is that both groups are using politics as a means to enrich themselves.

congress can trade on inside information, yet no one cares. how is this even possible?

A political pundit questions a school shooting and becomes a pariah, meanwhile the media promotes the claim of false WMD that led to death of 10s of thousands of children and women in the middle east.. yet they are hailed as patriots. how is this even possible?

We are truly living in a TRUMAN SHOW reality.. and I really don't get why people aren't speaking up.

I'm not talking about revolting.. just talk about it.. TALK SHIT ABOUT IT to your friends.. even that isn't happening. even online the conversations are getting more and more diluted and inane.


"I'm not talking about revolting.. just talk about it.. TALK SHIT ABOUT IT to your friends.. even that isn't happening. even online the conversations are getting more and more diluted and inane"-----

online attention spans are short yet it is a fantastic forum for inspiring curiosity so to speak to the common man one must cleverly capture his attention via compact capacity dialogue reduction Big Grin
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