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04-02-2019, 12:39 PM
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04-02-2019, 01:19 PM
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confusing video.. are they trying to GLORIFY their past or bash it?

this video is giving off mixed messages
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04-02-2019, 03:35 PM
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(04-02-2019 01:19 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  confusing video.. are they trying to GLORIFY their past or bash it?

this video is giving off mixed messages

I think they were being intentionally vague. You aren't allowed to be nationalistic in Germany today, so they knew they had to include and even sensationalize ALL the bad things Germans and Germany has not only done, but also been accused of, over the years.

Other than that, they were paying homage to a lot of their famous songs, Du Hast, Wollt Ihr Das Bett In Flammen Sehen, and Sonne.

I think most of the Rammstein members were born and grew up in East Germany.

How I interpret the black Germania figure is they are telling migrants that if they want to be 'German', they have to take the good and the bad. Of course I have been 'radicalized' on 'far right extremist' free speech web sites, so take my opinions with a double grain of salt.
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04-04-2019, 03:14 AM
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the song's already getting bashed:

There are few rock bands that can get millions of people to listen to a song about their love-hate relationship with their native country. But Germany may be the only nation where such a tune can ignite a serious debate about national identity and freedom of speech.

Last week, the hard rock outfit Rammstein released the official video to its first new song since 2011. Titled “Deutschland,” the nine-minute clip has been watched 19 million times on YouTube by the time of this writing. I won’t try to describe the contents in detail: Readers should see for themselves. Suffice it to say that it’s a condensed, violence-filled version of German history from the Romans’ defeat by Germanic tribes in the Teutoburg Forest in 9 A.D. to the East German police state, all overseen by Queen Germania (played by a black actress from Bertolt Brecht’s former theater in a calculated affront to German nationalists). She strides through battlefields in shining armor and is seen being devoured by cannibals and giving birth to a dog. The members of Rammstein themselves appear both as concentration camp inmates and as Nazi executioners.

As this jaw-dropping spectacle unrolls, Rammstein frontman Till Lindemann, a published poet, snarls,

Overpowering, superfluous
Übermenschen-weary
Who rises high, will fall low
Deutschland, Deutschland über allen

The last line is a cheeky modification of the first line of the discarded first verse of the German national anthem: “Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,” or “Germany above all else”; Lindemann changed it to “Germany above everyone,” making the line about totalitarianism rather than patriotism.

And then,

Germany, your love is both curse and blessing,
Germany, my love I cannot give you.

Rammstein are known for their mastery of attention-getting tactics and for peddling an intentionally scary export version of the Teutonic soul. It’s hard to find a German, especially in cosmopolitan Berlin or outside the band’s native eastern states, who’ll admit to liking them. Yet when they announced a tour for this summer, with stops all over Europe, the German shows sold out first; all 800,000 tickets were gone within four hours, and the site of Eventim, the seller, crashed after receiving about 80,000 hits per second. Clearly, there’s a love-hate relationship there, too.

The new video, however, went beyond the usual Rammstein provocation. “The band has crossed a line,” Charlotte Knobloch, a Holocaust survivor and the former president of Germany’s Central Jewish Council, told the daily Bild. “It’s frivolous and repulsive how Rammstein abuses the suffering and death of millions for entertainment purposes.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articl...l-identity
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04-04-2019, 03:52 AM
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Germans are even more confused than the Japanese

Japanese can still express nationalism somewhat, but with Germans it's a no go zone

so this vid is actually surprising

it conveys the teutonic spirit in a stereotypical way, while raising concerns about Germany's historical past
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04-04-2019, 03:54 AM
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55 min. analysis



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04-04-2019, 03:56 AM
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Efraim Zuroff, a historian from The Simon Wiesenthal Center (SWC), a Jewish human rights organization, told RT that "there has to be some limits" when dealing with historically loaded issues such as the extermination of Jews in Nazi Germany.

"This is really not the way to deal with the subject as sensitive as the Holocaust," Zuroff said.

The backlash has been led by the Israeli government, which accused the band of "using Holocaust for advertisement purposes." But not everyone agrees.

While the video might not be to everyone's taste, it certainly has educational value in it, freelance journalist Luc Rivet told RT.

The simplified and romanticized depiction of the Holocaust might be the only way to reach out to young people who otherwise would hardly have any interest in the topic, he said.

"They bring the message of the horror of the camps to young people, working-class people who probably haven't got a clue really, even in Germany, of what happened 60 years ago."


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04-04-2019, 03:58 AM
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04-04-2019, 01:04 PM
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If they're just gonna toss the term neonazis around willy-nilly, I'm gonna start referring to Zionists as neobolsheviks.
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04-04-2019, 01:26 PM
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(04-04-2019 01:04 PM)jho Wrote:  If they're just gonna toss the term neonazis around willy-nilly, I'm gonna start referring to Zionists as neobolsheviks.

And the Holocaust? Mini - Holodomor, or Neo-Armenian Genocide?
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