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02-22-2019, 07:16 PM
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^ good post

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02-23-2019, 03:36 AM
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In Baudrillard’s Simulcra and Simulations from 1981, he interrogates the relationships among reality, symbols, and society.

“Simulacra are copies that depict things that either had no reality to begin with, or that no longer have an original.[1] Simulation is the imitation of the operation of a real-world process or system over time.[2]

…The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth—it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true.[3]“

Simulacra and Simulation furthermore converses how symbols and signs relate to contemporaneity (simultaneous existences). Baudrillard claims that our current society has “replaced all reality and meaning with symbols and signs, and that human experience is of a simulation of reality.” Furthermore, these simulacra are not “merely mediations of reality, nor even deceptive mediations of reality; they are not based in a reality nor do they hide a reality, they simply hide that anything like reality is relevant to our current understanding of our lives.” The simulacra that Baudrillard refer to are thus the significations of how the symbolism of culture and media constructs perceived reality, the acquired understanding by which our lives and shared existence is and are rendered legible; “…Baudrillard believed that society has become so saturated with these simulacra and our lives so saturated with the constructs of society that all meaning was being rendered meaningless by being infinitely mutable. Baudrillard called this phenomenon the “precession of simulacra”– expressed in four stages.”

“Simulacra and Simulation” breaks the sign-order into 4 stages (Wiki):

The first stage is a faithful image/copy, where we believe, and it may even be correct, that a sign is a “reflection of a profound reality” (pg 6), this is a good appearance, in what Baudrillard called “the sacramental order”.
The second stage is perversion of reality, this is where we come to believe the sign to be an unfaithful copy, which “masks and denatures” reality as an “evil appearance—it is of the order of maleficence”. Here, signs and images do not faithfully reveal reality to us, but can hint at the existence of an obscure reality which the sign itself is incapable of encapsulating.
The third stage masks the absence of a profound reality, where the simulacrum pretends to be a faithful copy, but it is a copy with no original. Signs and images claim to represent something real, but no representation is taking place and arbitrary images are merely suggested as things which they have no relationship to. Baudrillard calls this the “order of sorcery”, a regime of semantic algebra where all human meaning is conjured artificially to appear as a reference to the (increasingly) hermetic truth.
The fourth stage is pure simulation, in which the simulacrum has no relationship to any reality whatsoever. Here, signs merely reflect other signs and any claim to reality on the part of images or signs is only of the order of other such claims. This is a regime of total equivalency, where cultural products need no longer even pretend to be real in a naïve sense, because the experiences of consumers’ lives are so predominantly artificial that even claims to reality are expected to be phrased in artificial, “hyperreal” terms. Any naïve pretension to reality as such is perceived as bereft of critical self-awareness, and thus as oversentimental.

https://blogs.cornell.edu/laureenandalib...udrillard/
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in other words

1st stage: Catholic/Orthodox societies

2nd stage: Masonic Subversion and symbolic replacement

3rd stage: CIA backed flower plower / counterculture movements/ 3rd wave feminism/critical theory

4th stage: Complete demoralization
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02-23-2019, 03:44 AM
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I didn't expect the video to reference Baudrillard

I guess the YT vids are getting more sophisticated these days. Lots of references to interesting folks from the past.

it is totally true that nearly everything has lost its meaning... but I do believe that conspirology still has some meaning. at this point is an attempt to keep the mind clean and straight in a truman show reality
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02-23-2019, 03:45 AM
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That's why I always say human civilization is devolving.

We might be becoming more technologically advanced but we are becoming like beasts with no higher-order thinking.

The elite think humanity is a disease, they should know they made it that way. They think can split-off into a new species and merge with machines.
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02-23-2019, 03:52 AM
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it certainly is devolving

it's easy because the net suggests things to people.. and implants ideas into them worse than TV

autocomplete suggests what to search for.

youtube algos can nudge you towards certain reality systems.. ie flat earth, simulation theory etc.

even things like yelp, the restaurants are suggested to you through sponsored ads.. you might have looked for a restaurant review, but the ads for other restaurants are more prominent

in the future you will not choose... you will just ask alexa to find you a restaurant.

you also notice that people DO NOT HAVE OPINIONS these days. I was eating out the other day, and was listening to a bunch of young people speak at the next table. they don't talk about shit. no shit talking. they talked about some new nikes and the weather.

i remember teens used to talk SHIT, mad shit.. nope no more. neutered by the technocracy
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02-23-2019, 03:54 AM
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[Image: zero-theorem-1.jpg]

Terry Gilliam's film Zero Theorem does a good job exploring Baudrillard’s Simulacra and Simulations.





Synchronicity aka "angelic script" works in a different way. It is self-reinforcing, not self-referencing. There's an Easter Egg in the original Matrix where the book Simulacra and Simulations is on Neo's shelf. It's a very Meta idea in a very Meta film, that's the only reason I'm aware of Baudrillard.
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02-23-2019, 04:02 AM
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a lot of it has to do with political correctness

the world would be more real without political correctness

with political correctness people lose the ability to think clearly and realistically

political correctness is also what allowed the complete fraud ELIZABETH HOLMES/THERANOS to get a 9 billion dollar valuation. No one wanted to call her out for fear of being called anti-female or misogynistic.

Political correctness is the enemy of a spiritual grounded society.

thoughts have to flow free.. and may the best thoughts and ideas win!
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02-23-2019, 04:17 AM
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"I would like not to cut any new channels of consciousness but simply dig deeper into old ones that have become silted in with the debris of thoughts grown stale and platitudes too often repeated. "What's new?" is an interesting and broadening eternal question, but one which, if pursued exclusively, results only in an endless parade of trivia and fashion, the silt of tomorrow. I would like, instead, to be concerned with the question "What is best?," a question which cuts deeply rather than broadly, a question whose answers tend to move the silt downstream. There are eras of human history in which the channels of thought have been too deeply cut and no change was possible, and nothing new ever happened, and "best" was a matter of dogma, but that is not the situation now. Now the stream of our common consciousness seems to be obliterating its own banks, losing its central direction and purpose, flooding the lowlands, disconnecting and isolating the highlands and to no particular purpose other than the wasteful fulfillment of its own internal momentum. Some channel deepening seems called for."

- Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance (1974)
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02-23-2019, 04:31 AM
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yeah but it was a lot better in the 70s

heck the 90s even or even the 2000s

in the last 5 years it has gotten REALLY BAD. it just keeps getting worse

people do not care anymore about anything.

it's about one experience to the next.

the most genuine relationships nowadays are between humans and their pets
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02-23-2019, 04:49 AM
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interesting and somewhat bizarre glp post

Quote:Double slit experiment and altering reality by what we think and observe
So if anyone is familiar with the double slit experiment, it is a scientific experiment which scientists cannot explain the two separate outcomes that are completely different from one another, but the only thing that changes the outcome of the experiment is if the experiment is being observed while it is taking place, or not observed while it's taking place.

It lends itself to all sorts of other possibilities.

It means that we all give power to that which we observe.

It's why tel-u-a-vision is so extremely powerful. It is setting you down and filling your mind with images on a screen that you are voluntarily observing and in your mind those images are becoming, shaping, and altering your reality.

You are uploading your programming so to speak.

Once again it is your observation that gives it power.

It is akin to the idea that you attract what you put out, but someone else is telling you what to attract.

It would also explain the mandela effect. One group of peoples memories of something are one way, because just like the double slit experiment, they observed it, so the simulation that we are living in rendered it out for them into their reality, while another group of people perhaps didn't observe it, or observed it in a different way, at a different time, or with different intent and emotions. Perhaps we are not merely (remembering) things differently and we are all suffering from faulty memories of the same event. Perhaps we observed it differently.

This all brings into question of what power we all have together as a group if we so choose to observe something differently that what reality tried to imprint into our programming.

Religion is much this way. Christians for instance believe and observe an ultimate Good and Evil, Black and White existence where God is all rewarding, and Satan is all evil and in this reality I witness many Christians running these programs and their lives are filled with many blessings (God) and many bad things (the devil). It is the reality they believe in, observe and bring into reality by their observation, just like the double slit experiment.

You see this with other religions and their beliefs and what they observe reality to be is what they receive.

This would explain a great many things that are unexplained.
Laying of hands
miracles
faith healing
meditation for longevity
glitches in the matrix we cannot account for
big foot
aliens
The idea that this reality was supposed to be the Jetsons era of life, and we cannot seem to stop driving cars around that were invented 120 years ago.

It is as if there are hard written parameters of this world. Things that are never allowed to change.

A history that seems to be a complete fabrication as if the matrix has been reset many many times.

Do we have the power as a group to alter the reality in which we live?
If only we could all imagine a world with flying cars
with health cures
with freedom for all
without disease
without evil

A world as cheezy as it sounds with True Love that knows no bounds.
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02-23-2019, 05:14 AM
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(02-23-2019 03:44 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  I didn't expect the video to reference Baudrillard

I guess the YT vids are getting more sophisticated these days. Lots of references to interesting folks from the past.

it is totally true that nearly everything has lost its meaning... but I do believe that conspirology still has some meaning. at this point is an attempt to keep the mind clean and straight in a truman show reality

Its not about conspirology and never was. It is about being skeptical, being capable of critical thought (not critical theory) and being cynical, to the appropriate degree (too much means you become defeatist).
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02-23-2019, 05:18 AM
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conspirology is the study of truth in a world of lies

that's the way I see it.

if the world is lies, than there must be a conspiracy to cover up the truth

therefore conspirology

or Conspireality ™
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02-23-2019, 06:58 AM
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standing still in front of a native american drummer is now racism in 2019

having consensual sex with women is now rape, as evidenced by the Julian Assange rape case
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02-23-2019, 07:19 AM
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(02-23-2019 05:18 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  conspirology is the study of truth in a world of lies

that's the way I see it.

if the world is lies, than there must be a conspiracy to cover up the truth

therefore conspirology

or Conspireality ™

Pretty much. They have lied about everything in the past, so they have to lie about everything in the present, lest we start questioning SOMETHING and then eventually EVERYTHING. (which is how people end up believing in flat earth, the poor bastards)
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02-23-2019, 10:39 AM
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