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J.Dempsey Appears to be Oriental?
02-15-2019, 02:58 AM
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RE: J.Dempsey Appears to be Oriental?
After finding out about the Liston vs Ali fights being fixed, nothing would surprise me.

Allegations about Mayweather/McGregor being a work too. Would explain why Mayweather did nothing in the early rounds, and then when he started boxing for real, it was done within what, 3 rounds?
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02-15-2019, 08:40 AM
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RE: J.Dempsey Appears to be Oriental?
(02-14-2019 06:44 PM)Redneck Wrote:  
Quote:GLOVES LOADED? DEMPSEY SAYS NO; Willard Supports Charges Made by Kearns


Jack Dempsey was charged yesterday with having used loaded gloves in 1919 when he won the heavyweight boxing title from Jess Willard. The accusation was made in the memoirs of the late Jack (Doc) Kearns, in a copyrighted feature in Sports Illustrated magazine. Dempsey denied the charge in the same article.


Kearns, who was Dempsey's manager, said he used plaster of paris and water in bandaging Dempsey's hands to insure a 10‐1 bet of $10,000 that Dempsey would win in one round. Dempsey won in three rounds.

Kearns said the fighter was “entirely innocent of what happened.”

“Afterward, when I cracked off the bandages and ditched them,” Kearns said, “he was so dumb at being the heavyweight champion of the world that you could have hit him with a hammer and he wouldn't have blinked an eye.”

Dempsey Is Quoted


Dempsey Is Quoted

The article quoted Dempsey as having commented, “RidicuIous! I could take an oath. In fact I will.”

Willard, now 82 years old, told Sports Illustrated:

“I'm glad that Kearns finally was man enough to admit it. . . . First time Dempsey hit me, I knew the gloves were loaded.”

Willard added:

“He cut me all to pieces and hammered my eyes closed—that's why they gave the title to him.”

Asked why Kearns might make such a charge, Dempsey replied, “That's the kind of a guy he was.”

Willard said:

“I've been trying for almost 45 years to get the story printed but nobody would believe me. They thought it was just a loser complaining. I'm glad Kearns has finally admitted it. My jaw is still caved in from the beating that fellow gave me with cement on his hands.”

‘Had to Hide a Smile'

In the article, Kearns said, “I had to hide a smile as the call came to enter the ring. Every punch, landing with the hollow sound of a mallet crunching into a watermelon, raised knots on him [Willard] or tore him open.”

Willard said:

“I had never been knocked down before, but he knocked me down four or five times in the first round. But I fooled them. I kept getting up.

“Dempsey left the ring—I guess to go take off the cement. They had to go get him and bring him back so they could officially give him the title. He never did knock me out—they gave him the title because my eyes were hammered closed.”

In the magazine, Kearns said:

“There may be those who will wonder how it could possibly be that Dempsey didn't know his gloves were loaded.

“Actually it isn't too surprising. He was young and this was the most unnerving day of his hungry life. Until the bell rang he was like a man who had been hypnotized.”

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https://www.nytimes.com/1964/01/09/archi...de-by.html



I believe there was some animosity after Dempsey/Kearns had their falling out.....and yet in late years when Kearns was destitute after his legal suits against Dempsey it was a compassionate Dempsey which made some financial contribution to Kearns.

Kearns was a Top Notch Professional Hustler and so it would not surprise me if he could do some tricks without Dempsey knowing. Still, it was Dempsey which managed his affairs better in the end so maybe he wasn't so dumb as Kearns implications.

As for the BIG BETS thats how those fellows lived and they did not always seem to follow the philosophy of Risk Management
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02-15-2019, 08:45 AM
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RE: J.Dempsey Appears to be Oriental?
Professor Redneck you seem to have a good knowledge of boxing and so I would enjoy to hear your thoughts of comparison between the fighters of 80s/90s and those of Dempsey's generation
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02-15-2019, 08:50 AM
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the big question is always how would have a prime Ali done against a prime Tyson.?
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02-15-2019, 02:32 PM
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(02-15-2019 08:50 AM)trevorrice Wrote:  the big question is always how would have a prime Ali done against a prime Tyson.?


I would wish to see if Tyson could first get through Frazier/Foreman and then he could have his shot at the king!
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02-15-2019, 02:41 PM
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RE: J.Dempsey Appears to be Oriental?
I doubt he would get past foreman
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02-15-2019, 04:37 PM
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RE: J.Dempsey Appears to be Oriental?
(02-15-2019 08:50 AM)trevorrice Wrote:  the big question is always how would have a prime Ali done against a prime Tyson.?

I think Tyson schools Ali. But he would have struggled against other greats, like he did against Lewis and Holyfield.

Once you realize Ali's 'classic wins' over Liston were works, it takes a LOT of shine off him. Who knows if some of his other wins were works too. Haven't really looked. He probably did win Rumble in the Jungle legit, through Rope-a-dope, but how come other fighters haven't used that strategy more? Probably because if you don't get the knock out, you lose. Or if the opponent fights smart, you lose.

But Tyson's trainer, Teddy Atlas (after D'Amato died) was really critical of his mental toughness. Said that every 'real fight' he was in, he lost. Because of being mentally weak.
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