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Are God and Satan just Good Cop / Bad Cop ?
02-02-2019, 02:50 PM
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Are God and Satan just Good Cop / Bad Cop ?
Satan is doing God's bidding by scaring people into following the 10 commandments.



What the devil? Prince of darkness is misunderstood, says UCLA author of new Satan ‘biography’



He's not the enemy of God, his name really isn't Lucifer and he isn't even evil. And as far as leading Adam and Eve astray, that was a bad rap stemming from a case of mistaken identity.

"There's little or no evidence in the Bible for most of the characteristics and deeds commonly attributed to Satan," insists a UCLA professor with four decades in what he describes as "the devil business."

In "Satan: A Biography" (Cambridge Press), Henry Ansgar Kelly puts forth the most comprehensive case ever made for sympathy for the devil, arguing that the Bible actually provides a kinder, gentler version of the infamous antagonist than typically thought.

"A strict reading of the Bible shows Satan to be less like Darth Vader and more and more like an overzealous prosecutor," said Kelly, a UCLA professor emeritus of English and the former director of the university's Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies. "He's not so much the proud and angry figure who turns away from Godas [he is] a Joseph McCarthy or J. Edgar Hoover. Satan's basic intention is to uncover wrongdoing and treachery, however overzealous and unscrupulous the means. But he's still part of God's administration."

The view runs in opposition to the beliefs held by many Christians and others about key religious concepts like original sin and the nature of good and evil.

"If Satan isn't really in opposition to God and he isn't really evil, then that means the fight between good and evil isn't an authentic part of Christianity," Kelly said. "What I'm saying will be scandalous to some people."
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02-02-2019, 03:10 PM
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this is inverted hermaneutics.. a traditional gnostic take

the snake is actually the good guy

the PROMETHEUS

the LIGHT BRINGER

the mini god that stole LIGHT and FIRE from the BIG GOD and shared it with MANKIND

the mini god that showed MANKIND the pleasures of the chitty chitty bang bang
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02-02-2019, 03:15 PM
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Well if it was good-cop/bad-cop then the apple was definitely entrapment.
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02-02-2019, 03:22 PM
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read this book for the answers you seek:

The Orthodox Way----Kallistos Ware


This book is a general account of the doctrine, worship and life of Orthodox Christians by the author of the now classic THE ORTHODOX CHURCH. It raises the basic issues of theology: God as hidden yet revealed; the problem of evil; the nature of salvation; the meaning of faith; prayer; death and what lies beyond. In so doing, it helps to fill the need for a modern Orthodox catechism. Yet this book is not a mere manual, a dry-as-dust repository of information.-------

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2426...thodox_Way
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02-02-2019, 03:30 PM
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(02-02-2019 03:10 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  this is inverted hermaneutics.. a traditional gnostic take

the snake is actually the good guy

the PROMETHEUS

the LIGHT BRINGER

the mini god that stole LIGHT and FIRE from the BIG GOD and shared it with MANKIND

the mini god that showed MANKIND the pleasures of the chitty chitty bang bang
Does it sound familiar to this story?



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02-02-2019, 03:36 PM
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02-02-2019, 03:39 PM
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did GK really say that?
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02-02-2019, 04:33 PM
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(02-02-2019 03:15 PM)kungfool Wrote:  Well if it was good-cop/bad-cop then the apple was definitely entrapment.

the original sin and every temptation laid out by Satan ever since are all part of the same sting operation.
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02-02-2019, 05:14 PM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2019 05:15 PM by kungfool.)
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(02-02-2019 04:33 PM)CTsar Wrote:  
(02-02-2019 03:15 PM)kungfool Wrote:  Well if it was good-cop/bad-cop then the apple was definitely entrapment.

the original sin and every temptation laid out by Satan ever since are all part of the same sting operation.

Lol yep. The Serpent is Emmanuel Goldstein. A Pied-Piper.

I see all of this pro-Satan stuff in pop-culture and know the agenda. At the same time, there some sound reasoning to this; God obviously had to, at the very least, allow the Serpent in the Garden.

Could the Serpent be God in his trickster form?
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02-03-2019, 02:27 AM
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Not really God's adversary?

"Old English < Late Latin < Greek Satân, Satán < Hebrew śātān adversary "

Don't be greedy. Don't let lust rule your life. Don't kill (but you can defend yourself). Don't lie, esp. not fraud, like this 'professor'!

It's really not that complicated.
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02-03-2019, 02:57 AM
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(02-03-2019 02:27 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  Not really God's adversary?

"Old English < Late Latin < Greek Satân, Satán < Hebrew śātān adversary "

Don't be greedy. Don't let lust rule your life. Don't kill (but you can defend yourself). Don't lie, esp. not fraud, like this 'professor'!

It's really not that complicated.


those "don't...." seem to work well for some people Tongue



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02-03-2019, 04:39 AM (This post was last modified: 02-03-2019 04:41 AM by Sanitarian.)
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Here is some scripture about who the devil is. I believe the bible to be true and the Word of God, because the Word was God, then the Word became flesh. Adam and Eve basically handed over the deed of the earth to the devil when Eve believed the first lie, to receive knowledge to be like gods. Isn't that what most in the truther communities are watching daily? Men after knowledge to become immortal with no fear of the true Holy and righteous God, the artist, the engineer, the Creator of this world that He spoke into existence. God gave angels free will as well as men, they both fell to pride.

So many in the truther communities or the world rather are similar to what Paul wrote to Timothy: "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was."

The Christ Jesus is the name above all names that carries the uppermost authority, he is what people should find at the end of the rabbit hole. The greatest story ever told indeed. Every knee will bow:

(Revelation 20:11-15):"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

(OT Daniel's Vision, Daniel 7:9-14) "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

The devil created as a beautiful cherub, covered the holy mountain of God

(Ezekiel 28:11-19) "Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

The devil wanted to exalt himself like the Most High and take His throne

(Isaiah 14:11-22) "And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve, That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts."

(Revelation 12:9) "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

(Revelation 20:2) "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years"

The earth is the devils playground, he is the father of lies and the kings of the earth in their pride have known truths and been apart of it:

(Psalm 2) "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."


Jesus Christ the Word made flesh

(John 1:1-18) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

(John 21:25) "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

Satan deceives the ENTIRE world, the lies are HUGE.

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02-03-2019, 12:44 PM
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(02-03-2019 02:27 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  Not really God's adversary?

"Old English < Late Latin < Greek Satân, Satán < Hebrew śātān adversary "

Don't be greedy. Don't let lust rule your life. Don't kill (but you can defend yourself). Don't lie, esp. not fraud, like this 'professor'!

It's really not that complicated.


I'm thinking he's more like Leo DeCaprio in the Departed. Pretends he's no longer with God , but is working overtime to expose and punish those that stray from the Gospel. Christ vs Anti-Christ will not be a shoot.
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02-04-2019, 04:48 AM
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The devil gets you to sin and lie, so you cannot see the hoodwink.

When you are immersed in narcissism and hedonism you cannot process the world around you like an adult.

This is trick of evil, it lie to you and tells you it doesn't exist.

the good news is that since evil exists the truth does as well, and so does goodness and a creator.

That's the story about the knowledge of good and evil, the apple and the garden of Eden. People consciously chose extended adolescence. They don't want to grow up, so they remain narcissist. Or they can be walking contradictions.
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02-04-2019, 05:17 AM
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(02-04-2019 04:48 AM)jho Wrote:  The devil gets you to sin and lie, so you cannot see the hoodwink.

When you are immersed in narcissism and hedonism you cannot process the world around you like an adult.

This is trick of evil, it lie to you and tells you it doesn't exist.

the good news is that since evil exists the truth does as well, and so does goodness and a creator.

That's the story about the knowledge of good and evil, the apple and the garden of Eden. People consciously chose extended adolescence. They don't want to grow up, so they remain narcissist. Or they can be walking contradictions.

100%.

Postmodernism is the devil's ideology. What you feel is true, not what is actually real. So people are dominated by their emotions, which also then means they are dominated by bodily sensation, hedonism (or narcissism as you put it). I feel horny. I feel hungry. I feel embarrassed by my iPhone 7xi. I feel lazy. I feel jealous. I feel angry. I feel oppressed.

So we deny the existence of the soul, but give in to sensual pleasures. And justify it endlessly.

For example. History. People say 'history is boring', so they don't study it, whatsoever. "Why does it matter?" Well, IMO, that is like saying "Why does the truth matter? Why does justice matter?"
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