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01-16-2019, 04:53 AM
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Fomenko could not handle the fact that the Mongolians overtook Russia so he decided to rewrite history using bogus mathematical principles
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01-16-2019, 07:06 AM
Post: #32
RE: Mongolian Folk Rock
(01-16-2019 04:53 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  Fomenko could not handle the fact that the Mongolians overtook Russia so he decided to rewrite history using bogus mathematical principles

Everything that he has said, that I have looked up, has been true.

He uses medieval sources, instead of modern historians, who use 20th century sources as somehow being more reliable.

I mean, look at Mongolia today. Population about 3million. In 1950 it was less than 1 million, so we give them the benefit of the doubt, and say it was what, 1 million even 600-700 years ago? OK, sure.

Russia, population 143 million. In 1950 it was 100 million. Do we give them the benefit of the doubt, or do we say it was say 6 - 10 million 600-700 years ago. So a nation of 1 million conquered a nation of 6-10 million? Really? Without making alliances with them?

I mean, look at the Spanish conquistadores. We always say 300 of them beat 100,000 Aztecs, but it is patently not true. They formed local alliances. So it was the Tlaxcala + the conquistadores that conquered the Aztecs.

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It all comes down to how you define certain terms. Like they will say the Mamluke empire (in Egypt) were all Circassians, in other words, white people from the Caucasus. But they were 'slave soldiers'. Hmmm... Slave soldiers that were WAY above the peasants, in terms of pecking order. Almost like a ruling class. And how did America fight the Vietnam War? With conscription. A draft.

Did we call them Slave soldiers? Either both are conscripts, or both are slave soldiers.

And that was the same with the 'Mongols' in Russia. The people had to pay a 'blood tax', which really just meant 10% of the male children had to join the military. This was the case during the Ottoman Empire too. And what do you know, janissaries basically ended up ruling the empire (esp. in the Balkans). So Christian, white Ottoman soldiers were in charge of the Christian, white Balkans (except for small regions like Albania that eventually became Islamic).

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It is not the conquest that is in question, it is where it started, and what direction the 'arrows' on the map went, and when certain conquests took place, that is in question.

I mean, Mongols going all the way to Eastern Europe is somehow reasonable, but Russians going all the way to Mongolia is somehow farfetched?

Lake Baikal, famous famous Mongol site. Where is it today? Russia.
One of the leaders in military power and technology today? Russia.

The number one misunderstanding about the Mongols is that they first of all weren't savages, and more importantly, they made ALLIANCES where ever possible.

Look at a map of the Mongol empire then overlay it with the USSR. Plus add in Communist China. Wow, what do you know, perfect match. That is because it is the same sphere of influence.

Turks conquered eastern Turkey, Iraq, parts of Iran, the Caucasus, Turkestan, while part of the 'Mongol' empire. Russians, Slavs, eastern Europeans conquered Russia, eastern Europe, Ukraine, Kazakhstan. Northern Chinese conquered China, eventually southern China too.

The proof? Who lives in Russia today? Who lives in Turkey today? Who lives in China today?

How come no one is called Genghis these days, in all that territory the 'Mongols' conquered? It is because the name has become a different form. I will give a hint:
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01-16-2019, 07:08 AM
Post: #33
RE: Mongolian Folk Rock
you forget that half of mongolia, the more populous half is now in China

I have looked into FOMENKO and some of it checks out, most of it doesn't

he is very interesting though

i will post more on this soon
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01-16-2019, 07:25 AM
Post: #34
RE: Mongolian Folk Rock
(01-16-2019 07:08 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  you forget that half of mongolia, the more populous half is now in China

I have looked into FOMENKO and some of it checks out, most of it doesn't

he is very interesting though

i will post more on this soon

Inner Mongolia, 24m people. Thats what I'm saying, they allied with Manchurian steppe 'nomads' (horsemen with vast herds that they had to keep moving, in order to provide forage), and conquered northern China.

That group then allied with Turkish steppe nomads and Slavic steppe nomads. But do I think the steppe nomads from the east went all the way to Eastern Europe? Not really. Some of them, sure, some elite troops or generals or siege specialists or whatever, but the bulk of the troops would have been local, in all of those cases. Slavs and Eastern Europeans, invading Eastern Europe, Turks invading Turkey and the Middle East, Mongolians (as we know them today) and northern Chinese, invading/conquering northern China.

So much of history is bunk, and I have never seen any single person uncover as much of it as Fomenko. The Pyramids, classic example. The MYSTERY of the Pyramids. Unless you consider they are not as old as we think, old but 700 years old, not 3000. Then you realize, aah, they were built with an early form of concrete. Problem solved, no pulling huge bricks with ropes.

But no, people don't like that, because they WANT there to be an unsolvable mystery, and the Pyramids to be 3000 years old.
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01-16-2019, 02:39 PM
Post: #35
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yeah but you see so many russian people with asiatic features

also the russian and eastern european temperament is quite close to east asian

less showy, more reserved, less shameless

you would never find an eastern euro Tony Robbins for example
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01-16-2019, 02:42 PM
Post: #36
RE: Mongolian Folk Rock
Putin has asiatic features

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nina kraviz world's top female DJ... asiatic features

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these are just a couple of examples.. but in general they do have an ASIAN look.. so it supports the theory that the mongols did have a huge presence there.
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01-16-2019, 03:41 PM
Post: #37
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(01-16-2019 02:42 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  Putin has asiatic features

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nina kraviz world's top female DJ... asiatic features

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these are just a couple of examples.. but in general they do have an ASIAN look.. so it supports the theory that the mongols did have a huge presence there.

It just proves mixing, not that it was Chinese men with Russian women or Russian men with Chinese women, or that it happened 800 years ago, or that there was conquest by one side instead of the other. If Russians invaded China you would expect the same thing, right?

Bring back a Chinese wife from your invasions and mixed kids. Not saying that is what happened, just that it doesn't prove it one way or the other. Just that mixing happened. Which is expected between neighbors, Silk Road trade partners over hundreds of years.
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01-16-2019, 04:27 PM
Post: #38
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the problem with Fomenko is that his motive is too clear

Russian Nationalism

Russia is made to look too good.. while everyone else looks bad in comparison

that discounts from his credibility imo
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01-17-2019, 04:36 AM
Post: #39
RE: Mongolian Folk Rock
(01-16-2019 04:27 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  the problem with Fomenko is that his motive is too clear

Russian Nationalism

Russia is made to look too good.. while everyone else looks bad in comparison

that discounts from his credibility imo

Well, to be fair, it is arguable whether being responsible for the Mongol invasions is 'good' or 'bad'.

I would suggest that because he knows more about Russian history than anything else, it would be his primary focus, and because Russian history seems to have been tampered with as much or more than any other country's history, it makes sense that it was different than we were told, and that Russia was MADE TO LOOK BAD by tweaking their history.

For example, did you know the Romanovs instituted serfdom in Russia? And in 1649, to boot? I mean, that is about 300 years after most of Europe GOT RID of serfdom. Are they just that backwards? How come there wasn't serfdom before that? Basically the peasants were free in Russia, when they were serfs in western Europe, and then with the Romanovs coming to power, it was reversed, peasants were free in western Europe (or rather, more free) and they were serfs in Russia.

1649 is also the end of the 80 years war! Which is supposedly just Netherlands against Habsburg Spain. And what happens at the start of this 80 years war, the Battle of Lepanto, 1571, where Ottomans LOSE CONTROL of the Mediterranean.

I mean, do you really think Spain was sending ships full of treasure back to Europe, if it could all get stolen as soon as they got back to Europe?

So any way, just a good example of how they lie about history, by saying "Both events happened, they just aren't connected, OK!"
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01-17-2019, 04:42 AM
Post: #40
RE: Mongolian Folk Rock
Fomenko also asserts that the Great wall is a recent construction, i'm talking last 500-600 years

He also asserts Chinese history before the 15th century was european history

i don't know what the hell he is talking about

he seems to cherry pick data to prove his points

i have been all over China to the ancient sites and ruins.. and much of it seems thousands of years old

and the accepted chronology makes sense to me, esp. for the last 2000 years
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01-17-2019, 04:47 AM
Post: #41
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read this shit.. this is insanity

all chinese history before 1500 refers to mediterranean history

https://www.jaks.sk/dokumenty/fomenko/22...%2022-.pdf

Japan is OLD and kept meticulous records.. their RECORDS match up perfectly with the chinese timeline

there are certain musical styles like gagaku that were transmitted from China around 600 AD..

this guy is SERIOUSLY ON CRACK

I do get it that much of history is BUNK.. but this dude has very bad scholarship

he asserts that Chinese "hieroglyphs" are from egypt.. without providing a single shred of proof
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01-17-2019, 04:48 AM
Post: #42
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So really your beef with him is purely to do with his take on Chinese history, and nothing else Big Grin

It is pretty obvious that (sections of) the Great Wall by Beijing has been 'reconstructed' in the last 60 years, isn't it? The wall could be hundreds or thousands of years old, but the actual bricks that are there today, a lot might be 60-100 years old, agree or disagree?
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01-17-2019, 04:49 AM
Post: #43
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6) Swedes in “ancient” China
Apparently, the North of China was inhabited by the numerous
representatives of the Shi Wei nation, whose name can also be read as Svei
([212], p. 132). Apparently, it is a reflection of the Swedes, who were
formerly known as “Svei” in Russian.
The Chinese Swedes are said to have been a Northern nation, just like
their European counterparts. Once again we see a name of a nation that
still lives in Europe manifest in Chinese history as yet another phantom
tribe that vanished mysteriously and without a trace a long time ago.

HAHAHAHAH

he is saying since there was a "SHI WEI" tribe in China.. this actually refers to Ancient swedes..

HAHAHAHA

i'm sorry but this is shoddy as fuck scholarship

he is playing word games worse than JORDAN MAXWELL
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01-17-2019, 04:52 AM
Post: #44
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the great wall actually proves China's age and historical timeline, because it would take so long to build.. esp. before modern technology

it was built over 2000 years:


Quote:The Last Complete Ming Great Wall — 200 Years. Over 2,000 years, many imperial dynasties and kingdoms built, rebuilt, and extended walls many times that subsequently eroded. The latest imperial construction was performed by the Ming Dynasty (1368–1644), and the length was then over 6,000 kilometers (3,700 miles).

3700 miles using ancient tech.... 2000 year timeline to build a wall like this is CONSISTENT with reality
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01-17-2019, 05:34 AM
Post: #45
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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/world...epair.html

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...tions.html

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This is normal. This is what happens to old buildings all over the world, most of the time. New projects use the old materials.
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