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11-29-2018, 03:31 PM
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Sure do miss free agency and international events though....
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11-29-2018, 11:09 PM
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RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
(11-29-2018 03:20 PM)Skookum Charlie Wrote:  Was just looking at the UFC 170 rankings. Pele, Anderson, Sakarai and Newton from 2001 would destroy that top 4. Of course they were better than UFC's top 170s back then as well but at least guiys like Menne and Miletich could hang...

I was as much an fan of the legendary Pele as anyone. That is a laughable statement however. They all would have been taking down at will by Woodley. I get that they fought with a more exciting budo-esque style. He would be dominated in the modern era however. Complete lol that you used Menne as an example at all! The fact that you didnt know Israel shows you are not watching and analyzing fights on the regular anymore and prefer to reminisce about the good old days. Take hints from EY he can effectively argue how MMA used to be better without making ludicrous claims. You were way off with the ages and the influx of elite athletes as well.
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11-30-2018, 05:30 AM
Post: #18
RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
(11-29-2018 11:09 PM)Veritatem Quaerens Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 03:20 PM)Skookum Charlie Wrote:  Was just looking at the UFC 170 rankings. Pele, Anderson, Sakarai and Newton from 2001 would destroy that top 4. Of course they were better than UFC's top 170s back then as well but at least guiys like Menne and Miletich could hang...

I was as much an fan of the legendary Pele as anyone. That is a laughable statement however. They all would have been taking down at will by Woodley. I get that they fought with a more exciting budo-esque style. He would be dominated in the modern era however. Complete lol that you used Menne as an example at all! The fact that you didnt know Israel shows you are not watching and analyzing fights on the regular anymore and prefer to reminisce about the good old days. Take hints from EY he can effectively argue how MMA used to be better without making ludicrous claims. You were way off with the ages and the influx of elite athletes as well.

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11-30-2018, 05:38 AM
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RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
(11-29-2018 11:09 PM)Veritatem Quaerens Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 03:20 PM)Skookum Charlie Wrote:  Was just looking at the UFC 170 rankings. Pele, Anderson, Sakarai and Newton from 2001 would destroy that top 4. Of course they were better than UFC's top 170s back then as well but at least guiys like Menne and Miletich could hang...

I was as much an fan of the legendary Pele as anyone. That is a laughable statement however. They all would have been taking down at will by Woodley. I get that they fought with a more exciting budo-esque style. He would be dominated in the modern era however. Complete lol that you used Menne as an example at all! The fact that you didnt know Israel shows you are not watching and analyzing fights on the regular anymore and prefer to reminisce about the good old days. Take hints from EY he can effectively argue how MMA used to be better without making ludicrous claims. You were way off with the ages and the influx of elite athletes as well.

What is so funny about Menne, he did beat Pele you know. And what ages are you talking about that I got wrong? You don't seem to know what you're talking about at all.

Bit congrats on still following the cage fighting. Are you from Sherdog?

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11-30-2018, 05:56 AM
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RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
Also, get a load of Dana White actually complaining about Oscar De la Hoya booking the Tito/Chuck fight while he books his similarly aged legend Anderson to get killed by a world class kickboxer. What an asshole. At least Oscar made it a geezer vs geezer fight; this is just going to be slaughter.
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11-30-2018, 06:20 AM
Post: #21
RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
Lawler coming back after 10 years to dominate 170lbs is the evolution of the sport.

I think Woodley can hang with the old school guys, but pretty much no one else in the division can. Israel is 29, Anderson was clearly better at the same age. And Hughes, Pele, etc would smash Wonderboy and Ferguson.
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11-30-2018, 06:46 AM
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RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
(11-30-2018 06:20 AM)CTsar Wrote:  Lawler coming back after 10 years to dominate 170lbs is the evolution of the sport.

I think Woodley can hang with the old school guys, but pretty much no one else in the division can. Israel is 29, Anderson was clearly better at the same age. And Hughes, Pele, etc would smash Wonderboy and Ferguson.

Yeah, I mean granted I haven't watched in a couple of years but last time I checked guys like Werdum from the Pride era were 40 year old champions. The weight cutting thing is all that has changed. And I would argue that's not for the better.

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11-30-2018, 04:23 PM
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RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
Hunt and Overeem still in the top 10. Werdum would also be top 10 if he wasn't suspended. A 40 year old 2 division champion. And 3 guys that are as well rounded as Bigdaddy Goodrige in the top 5.

Quote:Daniel Cormier 22-1-0
1 Stipe Miocic 18-3-0
2 Derrick Lewis 21-6-0
3 Francis Ngannou 12-3-0
4 Curtis Blaydes 10-2-0

5 Alexander Volkov 30-7-0
6 Alistair Overeem 44-17-0
7 Junior Dos Santos 19-5-0
8 Aleksei Oleinik 54-11-1
9 Marcin Tybura 17-4-0
10 Mark Hunt 13-13-1
11 Tai Tuivasa 10-0-0
12 Shamil Abdurakhimov 19-4-0
13 Andrei Arlovski 27-17-0
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11-30-2018, 09:56 PM
Post: #24
RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
(11-30-2018 06:20 AM)CTsar Wrote:  Lawler coming back after 10 years to dominate 170lbs is the evolution of the sport.

I think Woodley can hang with the old school guys, but pretty much no one else in the division can. Israel is 29, Anderson was clearly better at the same age. And Hughes, Pele, etc would smash Wonderboy and Ferguson.

Lawler was never gone for 10 years before he went on his best run. He was actively fighting in other orgs mainly Strikeforce which was full of talent. Your prime athletic period is 30s and he is still not in hisn40s. Before that run he was with the best camp he had ever been with ATT. He was training the smartest, talked about how they sparred too often too hard at Militech and that shortened some guys careers. It was a lifetime of training coming together for a guy who was always dangerous to anyone. There was no 10 years off there was 10 years of improvement.
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11-30-2018, 10:07 PM
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RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
(11-30-2018 05:38 AM)Skookum Charlie Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 11:09 PM)Veritatem Quaerens Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 03:20 PM)Skookum Charlie Wrote:  Was just looking at the UFC 170 rankings. Pele, Anderson, Sakarai and Newton from 2001 would destroy that top 4. Of course they were better than UFC's top 170s back then as well but at least guiys like Menne and Miletich could hang...

I was as much an fan of the legendary Pele as anyone. That is a laughable statement however. They all would have been taking down at will by Woodley. I get that they fought with a more exciting budo-esque style. He would be dominated in the modern era however. Complete lol that you used Menne as an example at all! The fact that you didnt know Israel shows you are not watching and analyzing fights on the regular anymore and prefer to reminisce about the good old days. Take hints from EY he can effectively argue how MMA used to be better without making ludicrous claims. You were way off with the ages and the influx of elite athletes as well.

What is so funny about Menne, he did beat Pele you know. And what ages are you talking about that I got wrong? You don't seem to know what you're talking about at all.

Bit congrats on still following the cage fighting. Are you from Sherdog?

Anyone arguably elite on Mennes record he lost to minus Pele and Newton who were only top tier of their time not all time. He deserves respect as a pioneer but not in a discussion of why mma talent was greater two decades ago. You really are stuck in that era asking if I'm from sherdog likes its 2001 and your on the UG lol
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11-30-2018, 10:16 PM
Post: #26
RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
(11-30-2018 04:23 PM)CTsar Wrote:  Hunt and Overeem still in the top 10. Werdum would also be top 10 if he wasn't suspended. A 40 year old 2 division champion. And 3 guys that are as well rounded as Bigdaddy Goodrige in the top 5.

Quote:Daniel Cormier 22-1-0
1 Stipe Miocic 18-3-0
2 Derrick Lewis 21-6-0
3 Francis Ngannou 12-3-0
4 Curtis Blaydes 10-2-0

5 Alexander Volkov 30-7-0
6 Alistair Overeem 44-17-0
7 Junior Dos Santos 19-5-0
8 Aleksei Oleinik 54-11-1
9 Marcin Tybura 17-4-0
10 Mark Hunt 13-13-1
11 Tai Tuivasa 10-0-0
12 Shamil Abdurakhimov 19-4-0
13 Andrei Arlovski 27-17-0

Hvwt is your most legitimate claim at a shallow talent pool. Although DC would be champ in any era. You also keep saying 40 like its instantly bad. It is possible to fight your best ever in your late 30s. After a lifetime of training you are obviously at the peak of your knowledge base. If your body can keep you can apply that knowledge if not go train the next gen. More guys are able to compete longer with improved training, more emphasis on proper recovery and even improved peds.
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11-30-2018, 10:30 PM
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RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
(11-30-2018 06:20 AM)CTsar Wrote:  Lawler coming back after 10 years to dominate 170lbs is the evolution of the sport.

I think Woodley can hang with the old school guys, but pretty much no one else in the division can. Israel is 29, Anderson was clearly better at the same age. And Hughes, Pele, etc would smash Wonderboy and Ferguson.

He was doing mma much longer at 29 and didnt have a world class kickboxing career behind him already before beginning mma.Hughes complete lack of striking improvement would have got him peaced up long before he could have established the type of legendary run he made off his grappling prowess. What Bj did to him but perhaps even faster by an elite striker like Thompson who's much longer and has proven take down defense against higher level wrestlers than Hughes.
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12-01-2018, 06:13 AM
Post: #28
RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
Bisping winning the MW belt? Robbie Lawler winning the WW Belt? Shogun ranked top 5 as late as this year wtf. he's almost a decade past his prime.

"He was doing mma much longer at 29"

not even true, they had same number of bouts / years in the sport at that age.
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12-01-2018, 06:50 AM
Post: #29
RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
(11-26-2018 08:39 AM)CTsar Wrote:  and getting a break from USADA.

Silva, 43, hasn't fought since a decision win against Derek Brunson in February 2017. He failed a random drug test in October 2017. However, the United States Anti-Doping Agency ultimately ruled the positive test was caused by a contaminated dietary supplement, and Silva agreed to a one-year suspension.

Long considered the greatest fighter of all time, Silva (34-8) has just one win in the past five years. The Brazilian held the record for most consecutive UFC title defenses for years, until flyweight Demetrious Johnson broke the mark in October 2017.

Adesanya, 29, will be coming off a breakout 2018.

Fighting out of New Zealand, Adesanya (15-0) made his UFC debut in February and has rattled off four wins, including a sensational first-round knockout over Brunson at UFC 230 in November.





just watched this HL

he looks much better in MMA than pure kickboxing

he should beat Anderson Silva quite easily. pretty fierce and with good ring instincts

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12-01-2018, 10:12 AM
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RE: Anderson Silva to fight black guy named Israel
(11-30-2018 10:07 PM)Veritatem Quaerens Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 05:38 AM)Skookum Charlie Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 11:09 PM)Veritatem Quaerens Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 03:20 PM)Skookum Charlie Wrote:  Was just looking at the UFC 170 rankings. Pele, Anderson, Sakarai and Newton from 2001 would destroy that top 4. Of course they were better than UFC's top 170s back then as well but at least guiys like Menne and Miletich could hang...

I was as much an fan of the legendary Pele as anyone. That is a laughable statement however. They all would have been taking down at will by Woodley. I get that they fought with a more exciting budo-esque style. He would be dominated in the modern era however. Complete lol that you used Menne as an example at all! The fact that you didnt know Israel shows you are not watching and analyzing fights on the regular anymore and prefer to reminisce about the good old days. Take hints from EY he can effectively argue how MMA used to be better without making ludicrous claims. You were way off with the ages and the influx of elite athletes as well.

What is so funny about Menne, he did beat Pele you know. And what ages are you talking about that I got wrong? You don't seem to know what you're talking about at all.

Bit congrats on still following the cage fighting. Are you from Sherdog?

Anyone arguably elite on Mennes record he lost to minus Pele and Newton who were only top tier of their time not all time. He deserves respect as a pioneer but not in a discussion of why mma talent was greater two decades ago. You really are stuck in that era asking if I'm from sherdog likes its 2001 and your on the UG lol

I argued no such thing re Menne. Honestly, at this point I have no idea what you're even on about. Look, if you're still a keen mma follower at this stage, good for you. I can't say you're wasting your time because I was there once not too long ago myself. It's just strange coming across this point of view here on this website I guess. Seems more in step with what's going on at, say, Sherdog or the UG....

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