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Strange limo crash kills 20. Owner was FBI informant involved in fake terror plots
05-31-2019, 09:13 PM
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RE: Strange limo crash kills 20. Owner was FBI informant involved in fake terror plots
(05-31-2019 06:08 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  You don't get it.

I'm not saying it wasn't a bad crash

I'm saying with that many people involved there are USUALLY SOME SURVIVORS, OR there are people who go to the hospital and die or injuries.

from what I remember, everyone was dead upon ER's arrival in this case

No one said you didn't think it was a bad crash. What does that have to do with anything?

I do get it. You obviously do not. Why do you keep insisting there should be survivors? Or a victim who dies in the hospital?

There were less than 1% survivors on the Flight 123 crash. There were less than 1% survivors in the SUV crash.

This is according to Pug Thug's Probability Of Crash Survival. You're the one who brought up Flight 123.

Reread the thread. At one point you suggested a conspiracy theory because of Shahed Hussain.

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05-31-2019, 09:51 PM
Post: #77
RE: Strange limo crash kills 20. Owner was FBI informant involved in fake terror plots
we're talking about a LOCAL CRASH with 20+ people... the vehicle went down a ditch.

I have posted countless examples of horrific bus crashes where there wasn't even close to a 100% fatality rate
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06-01-2019, 12:11 AM
Post: #78
RE: Strange limo crash kills 20. Owner was FBI informant involved in fake terror plots
(05-31-2019 09:51 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  we're talking about a LOCAL CRASH with 20+ people... the vehicle went down a ditch.

I have posted countless examples of horrific bus crashes where there wasn't even close to a 100% fatality rate

Big deal.

So you have posted countless examples of horrific bus crashes that have no bearing on the SUV crash.

Countless? Please. I think you're capable of counting that high. At least I hope so. Don't even have to take off your shoes.

What does LOCAL CRASH have to do with anything? What do bus crashes and plane crashes have to do with an unroadworthy old chop shop SUV?

Repeating things you've already mentioned, obfuscating the facts. Insisting a plane crash is the same as an SUV crash. The same old churn. Typical pug thug behavior. That is how I know you know you lost the argument.

You posted Flight 123. That is our benchmark. A less than 1% survival rate is very close to 0%. We are using pug thug figures.

The SUV went into the ditch and hit a tree after it struck the parked Toyota Highlander.

It was the Highlander that struck the pedestrians. A parked car that was hit so hard it was sent skidding over fifty feet. It would have been a greater distance but the Toyota went into a ditch.

The SUV had so much momentum it careened into a ditch and struck a tree.

If the victims were not killed by the Highlander, the tree surely did.

The only surprising thing to me is Hussain was indicted with twenty counts of second degree manslaughter.

The second degree manslaughter is a Class C felony. Criminally negligent homicide is a Class E. Non-violent Felony C is anywhere from no jail to probation to one to fifteen in the slammer. Non-violent Felony E from no jail to probation to 1⅓ to 4 years.

Hussain has a pretty long rap sheet. We can rule out no jail or probation.

Unless his lawyers manage to drag the driver through the mud. The defense will be going after Scott Lisinicchia. Had his CDL but not a passenger endorsement. Autopsy revealed long time marijuana user. Turns out his license should have been suspended. A customer complaint suggests he was drinking and driving. Not a perfect angel.

So. Post all the irrelevant material you want if it makes you feel better.

Yes, there is a such a thing as negligent homicide.

There was no conspiracy. No carbon monoxide poisoning. No survivors.

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06-01-2019, 02:48 AM
Post: #79
RE: Strange limo crash kills 20. Owner was FBI informant involved in fake terror plots
We are in a time where 'pics or GTFO' rules the day.

You know, I don't want to be staring at a crash with 20 dead bodies in some wreck. But I also don't believe that this pic exists, before seeing it.
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06-01-2019, 01:22 PM
Post: #80
RE: Strange limo crash kills 20. Owner was FBI informant involved in fake terror plots
(06-01-2019 12:11 AM)Katsumi Wrote:  
(05-31-2019 09:51 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  we're talking about a LOCAL CRASH with 20+ people... the vehicle went down a ditch.

I have posted countless examples of horrific bus crashes where there wasn't even close to a 100% fatality rate

Big deal.

So you have posted countless examples of horrific bus crashes that have no bearing on the SUV crash.

Countless? Please. I think you're capable of counting that high. At least I hope so. Don't even have to take off your shoes.

What does LOCAL CRASH have to do with anything? What do bus crashes and plane crashes have to do with an unroadworthy old chop shop SUV?

Repeating things you've already mentioned, obfuscating the facts. Insisting a plane crash is the same as an SUV crash. The same old churn. Typical pug thug behavior. That is how I know you know you lost the argument.

You posted Flight 123. That is our benchmark. A less than 1% survival rate is very close to 0%. We are using pug thug figures.

The SUV went into the ditch and hit a tree after it struck the parked Toyota Highlander.

It was the Highlander that struck the pedestrians. A parked car that was hit so hard it was sent skidding over fifty feet. It would have been a greater distance but the Toyota went into a ditch.

The SUV had so much momentum it careened into a ditch and struck a tree.

If the victims were not killed by the Highlander, the tree surely did.

The only surprising thing to me is Hussain was indicted with twenty counts of second degree manslaughter.

The second degree manslaughter is a Class C felony. Criminally negligent homicide is a Class E. Non-violent Felony C is anywhere from no jail to probation to one to fifteen in the slammer. Non-violent Felony E from no jail to probation to 1⅓ to 4 years.

Hussain has a pretty long rap sheet. We can rule out no jail or probation.

Unless his lawyers manage to drag the driver through the mud. The defense will be going after Scott Lisinicchia. Had his CDL but not a passenger endorsement. Autopsy revealed long time marijuana user. Turns out his license should have been suspended. A customer complaint suggests he was drinking and driving. Not a perfect angel.

So. Post all the irrelevant material you want if it makes you feel better.

Yes, there is a such a thing as negligent homicide.

There was no conspiracy. No carbon monoxide poisoning. No survivors.

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06-05-2019, 05:44 AM (This post was last modified: 06-05-2019 05:48 AM by Katsumi.)
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RE: Strange limo crash kills 20. Owner was FBI informant involved in fake terror plots
Memorial planned for crash victims.

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10-10-2019, 11:26 PM
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RE: Strange limo crash kills 20. Owner was FBI informant involved in fake terror plots
By The Associated Press. October 9, 2019.

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — A former repair shop manager told investigators that brake work was billed but not performed on the stretch limousine that crashed five months later in Upstate New York, killing 20 people, according to court papers released to reporters on Wednesday.

The former manager of a Mavis Discount Tire shop told investigators in a Sept. 17 interview that a brake master cylinder was invoiced but not installed at the time of a May 2018 inspection. It’s not clear if the master cylinder, which converts pressure on the brake pedal to hydraulic pressure to apply the brakes, was needed to replace a defective one on the limousine.

The 2001 Ford Excursion limo blew through an intersection and crashed in rural Schoharie County on Oct. 6, 2018.

The interview was disclosed by Schoharie County District Attorney Susan Mallery this week in a letter to lawyers for limo company operator Nauman Hussain as part of the pre-trial motions and disclosures. She said the information "may or may not be deemed material subject to disclosure" but was provided "in an excess of caution" because of the prosecution's obligation to disclose any material helpful to the defense.

According to Mallery's letter, the former manager told investigators it was a common billing practice at Mavis to substitute certain services on invoices for the ones actually performed, in order to meet corporate sales quotas. For example, on a January 2018 invoice, a power steering flush was listed when the work actually involved exhaust repairs. Mallery's letter did not say whether the billed brake master cylinder was necessary.

The defense renewed a motion to dismiss manslaughter and homicide charges against Hussain.

Prosecutors allege Hussain allowed an improperly licensed driver to operate an "unserviceable" vehicle. The vehicle sped down a long hill and through a T-intersection before crashing near the parking lot of a country store. Prosecutors say the vehicle had a "catastrophic brake failure." The National Transportation Safety Board hasn't released an official cause of the crash.

Just weeks before the crash, the limo had failed a state inspection that examined such things as the chassis, suspension and brakes.

Mavis has been named in several civil lawsuits filed by estates of crash victims because it performed the vehicle's most recent inspections. A corporate representative of Mavis Discount Tire in Millwood, New York, did not return a call seeking comment Wednesday afternoon.

The court documents were first reported by the Times Union and later released by the court.

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10-12-2019, 08:28 PM
Post: #83
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(10-26-2018 08:46 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  So who declared all the people dead on site? Don't they usually transport people to hospital before declaring them dead?

The coroner. Not necessarily.
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10-12-2019, 08:33 PM
Post: #84
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(10-27-2018 01:30 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  Wait, so EY is obfuscating with irrelevant bullshit, and then you post some random video?

Uh huh. To illustrate my point. Your outrage at me for posting bullshit and not Pug Tug makes you a hypocrite.
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10-13-2019, 04:01 AM
Post: #85
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Quote:Ok, I just read that at a funeral for 8 of them they had been cremated and in urns, maybe this says how bad the crash was???
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10-13-2019, 04:26 AM
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10-13-2019, 04:49 AM
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Pug banned his wife. Damn man. She seemed angry all the time, so not really a major loss for the forums.
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10-13-2019, 07:09 PM
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Strange limo crash kills 20. Owner was FBI informant involved in fake terror plots
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Pug wife! Must be a korean.

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10-14-2019, 02:39 AM
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RE: Strange limo crash kills 20. Owner was FBI informant involved in fake terror plots
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Was that really his wife? Whoa! That explains a lot.
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10-14-2019, 06:05 AM
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(10-13-2019 07:09 PM)The Diet Butcher Wrote:  BAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Pug wife! Must be a korean.

I believe you’re right about the latter.
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