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July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
11-02-2018, 03:45 AM
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yeah forgot about full metal jacket. I really liked that one. prob the best war film I've seen
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11-03-2018, 06:16 AM
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(11-02-2018 03:45 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  yeah forgot about full metal jacket. I really liked that one. prob the best war film I've seen

So in Barry Lyndon, the title character tries to buy himself a noble title. It is assumed that he fails because his stepson has a grudge against him, and undermines him, causing Barry to beat his stepson in front of everyone, which is then bad for his reputation.

Watching it, though, I also got the feeling that the whole episode of trying to buy the noble title was futile because the other nobles were just using it as a method to fleece Barry. This I view as a metaphor for Kubrick trying to earn his position as one of the elite, by way of merit, but because of his 'low birth' he cannot, he remains just an errand boy for the elites/Illuminati.

I think this caused his resentment. He doesn't get to take credit for the Apollo Program, even though they told him at first that when they go for real (they probably told them 1975 in ~1965/66), they will reveal the truth. Nor is he allowed into the club, proper, the decision-making level of the elite.

He was supposedly a really tough negotiatior, and that is probably what A Clockwork Orange was, to some extent. Applying some leverage. Revealing a little, but not everything.

Interestingly, Barry Lyndon won an Oscar for every category it was nominated, where Stanley was NOT the recipient! It was nominated for 7, and won 4, but not the 3 Kubrick were up for, Best Picture, Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay. I am sure that is just coincidence, not a message or anything.

It is almost 5 years later that Kubrick releases his next film, The Shining.

Now, before we get into that, there is an interesting connection between Kubrick and Ridley Scott:
" Outtakes of the opening panorama shots (of The Shining) were later used by Ridley Scott for the closing moments of the original cut of the film Blade Runner (1982).[27]"

Well, as the story goes (hard to find sources for this shit so long after reading it), Kubrick approached Ridley Scott about how to film subliminals, in this period (between Barry Lyndon and The Shining). I don't know how many people know this, but Ridley Scott directed over 2000 (!!!) advertisements before becoming a Hollywood director and directed some of the most famous commercials of all-time (look it up).



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11-03-2018, 06:56 AM
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Just in case people need evidence from the horse's mouth:
"The roundtable was rich with discussions about the work of Stanley Kubrick, but Scott put the other directors to shame by revealing a secret friendship and creative partnership between the late director and himself.

"I had finished Blade Runner, and it was a disaster. My investors were giving me a really hard time... 'We have to test this with an uplifting ending, where they will go off into the wilderness together.' I said, 'Well if they go off into a beautiful wilderness, why do they live in this dystopian environment?'"

"By then I had talked to Stanley [Kubrick] a few times. I said, 'I know you shot the hell out of The Shining, can I have some of the stuff?' So at the end of the film in Blade Runner, that's Stanley Kubrick's footage."

Kubrick was about 9 years older than Scott, and I am pretty sure both lived in London at that time. Ridley Scott's first film was The Duellists, which is set in basically the same time period as Barry Lyndon, and apparently was Scott's inspiration.

"The film has been compared to Stanley Kubrick's Barry Lyndon. In both films, duels play an essential role. In his commentary for the DVD release of his film Scott comments that he was trying to emulate the lush cinematography of Kubrick's film, which approached the naturalistic paintings of the era depicted. "

Released mid 1977. So I think we can assume Kubrick and Ridley Scott are in communication in this period, 1975-1980, based on the fact that they have a 'secret friendship' by 1982 (the time of Blade Runner's release).
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11-05-2018, 08:33 AM
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Alright, so are we ready to begin discussing The Shining?
We could have done this on page 1, because it is probably the most interesting part of the discussion, but for those new to the topic, it isn't really fair, as there appear to be (to the eyes of a noob) major assumptions, such as the manned Moon landing was faked, and that it was done by Stanley Kubrick.

Now let me say first of all, some of the details that will be mentioned will be so extreme that people will want to deny their existence or importance, and all I can say is, by this point in his life, Kubrick was obsessed, nay, consumed by the idea of exposing SUBTLY both the Apollo hoax, and his involvement in it.

Everything, from the character's names, the actors who play them, the parts those actors have played in other movies, EVERYTHING was taken into consideration by Kubrick.

So going through the major cast members, there are a few that were Kubrick favorites, Joe Turkel and Philip Stone. Obviously they are selected for being familiar to Kubrick, not because of any previous characters they played or their name or anything occult/bizarre.

Well, we have Jack Nicholson playing a character named Jack, and Danny Lloyd playing a character named Danny! And Shelley Duvall, playing Wendy. Then there are characters named Hallorann, Ullman, and Lloyd.

Shelley Duvall, two pairs of double l's in her name. Hallorrann, double l. Ullman, double l, Lloyd, double l. ll = 11. There is A LOT of 11 symbolism in this movie. So much that you will start to start seeing 11 EVERYWHERE. So I am willing to concede some of it is mere coincidence or set design, but uuh all of it? No chance.

Now... On to Jack Nicholson, the last character he played before The Shining was... Henry Lloyd Moon in 'Going South'.

Probably nothing, right? After all, the main character in Barry Lyndon was Ryan O'Neal, and the movie he did before Barry Lyndon was... Paper Moon.

Huh?
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11-06-2018, 02:09 PM
Post: #395
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OK... So maybe a bit more lukewarm reception than anticipated but that is alright, I didn't come right out of the gates with the big guns. Got started with what you might call your 'high strangeness'.

Well, here is another good one.

I have talked about "Wag the Dog" a little bit, and I haven't actually found any one involved with its script (although obviously Levinson would have been familiar with Kubrick and his work, I can't find an actual record of them meeting like with ). Any way, in the movie there is the "I want the credit" scene that I posted already.

And 'Stanley Motts' says "I want the credit", and De Niro says "But Stanley, you always knew you couldn't take the credit", and Stanley replies "Well thats one thing, but I didn't want two dickheads from film school to get it!" (paraphrasing)

Well.... That is an Apollo reference my friends!

There was an official NASA movie about Apollo 11, called 'Footprints on the Moon', and it was directed by a guy named 'Bill Gibson', never directed another movie in his life! So was he the real director, or did he 'get the credit'?
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0316859/?ref_=tt_ov_dr

Now here is the kicker, in The Shining the scariest moment in the film I think EVERYONE would agree is the naked old lady in the bath tub! Well, guess what her name is! BILLIE GIBSON!

Only credit in her career (and pretty obviously not her real name):
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0316862/?ref..._fc_cl_t11

THAT was Stanley Kubrick's "I want the credit" moment! So what was his payback, well, in The Shining he compares filming the Apollo Program to making out with a beautiful woman, and while you are kissing her, she turns into a naked, decaying old hag!
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11-06-2018, 10:33 PM (This post was last modified: 11-06-2018 10:34 PM by trevorrice.)
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11-07-2018, 03:12 AM
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Yeah, the ole 'it was easier to go for real than fake it'. LOL

That was why I discussed Howard Hughes very very early in this thread. Because he owned a building the size of a city block, exclusively for storing film footage. It is such a non-argument.

"It would have taken a lot of film, ergo impossible."

I mean, does that guy strike you as being on the level of a true film prodigy like Kubrick? Or some guy that has developed photos before in his hobby room?

Does this guy not realize what the budget for Apollo was? Even then, nothing stopping them from using some of the 'black budget' for it either.

Right when Apollo hoax videos were gaining steam on Youtube, what showed up? Flat earth! And they started promoting the flat earth videos to people who were watching Apollo hoax videos. Like not just recommending it, but lining them up to auto-play after the Apollo video finished!
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11-07-2018, 04:11 AM
Post: #398
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if all it requires is money to hold up the film footage- thats really a non point. Also Kubrick showed that a realistic look could be attained. The guy admits alot of the original footage that was aired on tv had very little going on as well.

I didnt buy his argument either but I found it interesting that he was the only guy using this point as evidence for a landing.
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11-07-2018, 05:37 AM
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(11-07-2018 04:11 AM)trevorrice Wrote:  if all it requires is money to hold up the film footage- thats really a non point. Also Kubrick showed that a realistic look could be attained. The guy admits alot of the original footage that was aired on tv had very little going on as well.

I didnt buy his argument either but I found it interesting that he was the only guy using this point as evidence for a landing.

By no means do I think it was easy. That is why I am exposing it, because Stanley Kubrick (and his team) really do deserve a lot of credit.

But what this guy calls obstacles, Kubrick would have viewed as problems that needed to be solved.

And a lot of legitimate research was underway, during the Apollo Program, specifically the rockets. But they still couldn't do what they 'said on the tin', that is why the Saturn V was discontinued. It could get you into orbit, and it could get a probe to the Moon, probably even return a small sample of Moon rocks. But a probe doesn't have to worry about G forces and radiation and re-entry speeds/temperatures.

The thing is... The rockets and their guidance systems were actually being designed for.... Intercontinental ballistic missiles.

"The LGM-30G Minuteman-III program started in 1966, and included several improvements over the previous versions. It was first deployed in 1970"

"The Minuteman-II program was the first mass-produced system to use a computer constructed from integrated circuits (the Autonetics D-37C). The Minuteman-II integrated circuits were diode–transistor logic and diode logic made by Texas Instruments. The other major customer of early integrated circuits was the Apollo Guidance Computer, which had similar weight and ruggedness constraints. "

Well isn't that interesting, almost like the work on Apollo's Guidance Computer was actually for use in ICBMs? Who coulda guessed that?

The 1st and 3rd stage of the Minuteman rockets were designed and built by a company named Thiokol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiokol

"1957: In anticipation of the forthcoming Minuteman contract, the company builds its plant at Brigham City, Utah.
1957: Thiokol Huntsville builds XM33 Pollux missile
1958: Merger with Reaction Motors Inc. (RMI), makers of liquid propellant rocket motor systems.
1958: Thiokol awarded contract to build the TU-122 rocket motor for the first stage of the LGM-30 Minuteman ICBM system.
1959: Thiokol Huntsville produces CASTOR strap-on booster rocket, used on the Atlas rocket.
1964: Woodbine, Georgia plant is constructed to build solid propellant motors for NASA, but the agency changes course and uses liquid fuel.[7]
1969: Thiokol awarded U.S. Army contract to manufacture 750,000 Tripflares for use in the Vietnam War.[7]
1971: Explosion in magnesium flare assembly facility at Woodbine plant kills 29 and injures 50.[7]
1974: Thiokol wins the contract to build the solid rocket booster (SRB) for the Space Shuttle (Nov 29, 1973)
1978: The company sells its ski lift division to CTEC and its snow equipment division to Logan Manufacturing Company (LMC), owned by John DeLorean."

Just to illustrate the Thiokol was a major MIC company, and involved in NASA/Apollo much more than commonly realized. Why is this important? We will see...
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11-07-2018, 08:23 AM
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This is a good debate with all valid arguments on both sides .

but Chaos Reigns ultimate argument wins the rocket was made but for different purposes.

The only one who can tell the truth is Buzz Aldrin. and like EY says if he does they will play it off as the dementia of an old man.

First Man the movie - was already hinting to Buzz having bad social skills and saying in appropirate things.
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11-07-2018, 12:15 PM
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Quote:First Man the movie - was already hinting to Buzz having bad social skills and saying in appropirate things.

Yeah. I wanted to see it, but at this point I will probably wait to watch it on an intl flight

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11-07-2018, 12:18 PM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(11-07-2018 08:23 AM)trevorrice Wrote:  



This is a good debate with all valid arguments on both sides .

but Chaos Reigns ultimate argument wins the rocket was made but for different purposes.

The only one who can tell the truth is Buzz Aldrin. and like EY says if he does they will play it off as the dementia of an old man.

First Man the movie - was already hinting to Buzz having bad social skills and saying in appropirate things.

3 against 1 and the black dude was still making better arguments

the whole you can't keep a secret shit is nonsense

it's also not nonsense because that's how people like US KNOW

it's hard to pull this shit off without people calling BS

Those who know, know! Big Grin
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11-07-2018, 12:25 PM
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i dont know if First Man the movie was supposed to convince people of the moon landing but it actually does more the opposite.
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11-07-2018, 12:30 PM
Post: #404
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it does the opposite if you've done a bit of research

but if you haven't looked into it, I think it has the possibility to emotionally make you believe in it

sort of like when a girl really likes a dude, she will lie to herself about his blatant cheating or personality defects

that is the power of emotional persuasion. all rationality goes out the door

that is what HOLLYWOOD DOES BEST

manipulate your emotions

look at what they did to our image of the Church... decades of anti-catholic bashing and people have no idea that the catholics run the largest charities on the planet, with the highest proportion of funds deployed
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11-07-2018, 12:53 PM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2018 12:54 PM by trevorrice.)
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what the heck is he trying to say?? Truth's protective layer?_ WTF?!!
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