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July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
07-31-2020, 08:52 AM
Post: #751
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 08:33 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 07:50 AM)KurtDangle Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 07:47 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  This kid doesn't even read the links he posts either!

Apollo 5: "Despite the trouble during the descent-engine burn, NASA deemed the mission a success in demonstrating the LM systems, and a second uncrewed flight test using LM-2 was canceled. LM-3 was cleared for the first crewed LM flight, which occurred on Apollo 9. "

Difficulty in question: "After two orbits, the first planned 39-second descent-engine burn was started, but aborted by the Apollo Guidance Computer after only 4 seconds."

Yep, PP is the kinda guy to say (just like NASA) that testing an engine for 4 seconds constitutes a success.

the statement by ey is that it was NEVER tested.

was that a test or not?

i am very well aware that did some simulation testing of the LM and 1 or 2 times the testing almost killed Neil Armstrong.
It barely worked on earth, yet we are to believe they just got it right the first time on the moon.
the whole thing seems like fantasy really.

they played golf on the moon as well!

they didnt just do simulations. they did actual tests in outer space.

the vehicle armstrong crashed was just used for the astronauts to learn how to use the flight controls. armstrong crashed when a part broke. they had over 100 successful flights of the earth based vehicle.

there always has to be a 1st time, it doesnt make the 1st time a lucky fantasy

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07-31-2020, 09:15 AM
Post: #752
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
logically I think they should have tested the lunar lander robotically on the lunar surface.
why did they have to do several lunar flybys before landing on the moon?
that is real world testing.
The landing on the moon part is much harder than a lunar flyby.

Also I think if you just watch the Lunar Ascent video, it's pretty obvious that it is phony
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07-31-2020, 09:30 AM
Post: #753
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 09:15 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  Also I think if you just watch the Lunar Ascent video, it's pretty obvious that it is phony

This was why I moved away from arguing the Apollo 'TV' Program on the OG. I couldn't post pics or video to point out the fakery.

Look at a guy like PP though. He cherrypicks his arguments, ignores all kinds of other sh*t, and NEVER posts pics or video as evidence for his claims.

It is because the Apollo 'TV' Program looked good at the time, and Kubrick's directing/production was fantastic, but it doesn't hold up. Like the ladies making the spacesuits or threading the 'core rope' memory!

It sure got America's attention off the JFK/MLK/RFK murders, the Vietnam war, the Civil Rights riots (I mean Summer of Love), My Lai massacre, the abandonment of the GOLD STANDARD, etc.

Nixon said abandoning the gold standard was temporary, btw. "Just two weeks", LOL
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07-31-2020, 10:03 AM
Post: #754
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
yeah it' sterrible trying to be a CTer without posting privileges on the OG

can't post NATHAN!
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07-31-2020, 10:39 AM
Post: #755
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
apollo 11 was not NASAs 1st soft landing. it was the 6th soft landing
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07-31-2020, 11:50 AM
Post: #756
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
it was the first soft landing with the Lunar Module.
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07-31-2020, 12:12 PM
Post: #757
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 10:39 AM)KurtDangle Wrote:  apollo 11 was not NASAs 1st soft landing. it was the 6th soft landing

LOL, are you trying to help me make the point that the manned aspect was the part that was hoaxed?
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07-31-2020, 12:29 PM
Post: #758
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
landing on an alien surface shouldn't work the first time you try it.
the Russians didn't even try to land on the moon as they probably knew it was impossible.
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07-31-2020, 01:00 PM
Post: #759
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 12:12 PM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 10:39 AM)KurtDangle Wrote:  apollo 11 was not NASAs 1st soft landing. it was the 6th soft landing

LOL, are you trying to help me make the point that the manned aspect was the part that was hoaxed?

making the point NASA knew how to soft land things on the moon

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07-31-2020, 01:11 PM
Post: #760
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
hard to say if surveyor and others were really soft landed. they could have crash landed something and rolled the instruments out.
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07-31-2020, 01:16 PM
Post: #761
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 01:11 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  hard to say if surveyor and others were really soft landed. they could have crash landed something and rolled the instruments out.

I do figure they soft landed a few of the Ranger/Surveyor missions. But the point is, you could use ALL your fuel to do it. You could slow down to 0 m/s at 10 miles up, used the lunar gravity to speed you up (to the surface) and then back down to 0 m/s.

For Apollo, as advertised, that would have been a waste of fuel. You had to get to 0 m/s (or maybe 3 m/s) at 0 altitude, and not a foot higher. Which is fine on even ground! And when you are dealing with a concept such as 'sea level'! But on 'alien terrain' as EY puts it, not so much!
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07-31-2020, 01:25 PM
Post: #762
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
the other thing is Alan bean said they used car batteries to power everything in the LM

what kind of car batteries can power an AC system to shield against +270 degree radiant heat and -270 degree freezing temps for a few days?
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07-31-2020, 09:04 PM (This post was last modified: 07-31-2020 09:07 PM by KurtDangle.)
Post: #763
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 01:25 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  the other thing is Alan bean said they used car batteries to power everything in the LM

what kind of car batteries can power an AC system to shield against +270 degree radiant heat and -270 degree freezing temps for a few days?

those are the extreme temps in a full lunar day. a lunar day is almost 30 earth days long. the apollo missions were planned so that they were only on the moon just after sunrise (which last 24 hours or so)

the surface temp (not air temp) of the moon during apollo 11 stared at -7 F and ended up at 44 F by the time they left

without an atmosphere there is no transfer of heat/cold (convection), which is the type of transfer we feel most often. weather is an example of this transfer. doesnt happen on the moon. if the moon surface was its hotest and you held your hand above it, you would not feel any heat.

so the 2 ways left to transfer heat/cold to the LM and astronauts are radiant (sun light) and conduction (directly touching something hot/cold)

radiant - because the mission were in early morning, the angle of the sun was very low, and the LM and suits were designed to be very reflector. so almost no heat transfer

conduction - only the soles of the boots and the landing pads of the LM touched the moon. the lunar soil is a bad conductor, plus add some insulation, again you get almost no heat transfer

most people unknowingly think about convection for heat transfer because they know whats its like to get near something hot, or be outside when its hot/cold. doesnt apply for the moon

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08-01-2020, 12:04 AM
Post: #764
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
i'm not talking specifically about Apollo 11, but the later missions that lasted 72 hours or more.
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08-01-2020, 07:17 PM
Post: #765
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
there are 3 types of heat transfer, without atmosphere , the other 2 types transfer very little heat on the moon
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