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July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
07-30-2020, 06:54 PM (This post was last modified: 07-30-2020 07:49 PM by KurtDangle.)
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-30-2020 08:55 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:55 AM)KurtDangle Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 01:49 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  for the most part it probably works.
the Lunar Module was never tested, yet it worked the first time.

how much tech works in that manner? Esp. mission critical tech?

You would expect robotic testing of the lunar lander, but no. they just did it and it worked. and get this, Armstrong claims they almost ran out of gas!

not to mention the car batteries that powered AC that resisted 270 deg. heat for DAYS

it was exactly designed to 'almost' run out of gas. extra gas would be a weight burden

you seem to dont understand how heat transfer works. without an atmosphere there is very little transfer

except that Neil Armstrong almost crashed the whole thing.
The thing was not tested.

Nothing that complex and so mission critical doesn't get at least a test.
It was never tested and its blueprints are missing.

it was tested on apollos 5, 9, and 10

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Lun...nt_flights

there were also 5 earth based training vehicles for pilots to get used to the controls.

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07-30-2020, 08:49 PM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
it was not tested in 1/6th gravity on an alien rock surface
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07-30-2020, 09:08 PM
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(07-30-2020 08:49 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  it was not tested in 1/6th gravity on an alien rock surface

your claim was that it was not tested. it was tested.

it was tested in low gravity. it was tested near the moon. astronauts tested the controls. the rockets systems were tested on earth. etc ...

NASA had also previously soft landed 5 probes on the moon in the mid 60s, so the moon surface was not unknown.

the only way to "test a moon landing", is to actually do it. they cant recreate the moon on earth.

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07-31-2020, 02:17 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
The only way to prove that they DID go to the Moon is to go 'again'. End of story.

Their reluctance to commit to even that, TODAY, 50 years later, really tells you everything you need to know.

PP, why not post some footage from the Apollo Program? Such as the lunar landers landing on the Moon or taking off from the Moon's surface? That is why this forum is so much better for discussing this topic than the OG. But you are not utilizing the extra features for your argument whatsoever right now. Why would that be?

No pictures of Apollo Moon rocks, no footage of the lander landing. Do you feel it is not convincing evidence?
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07-31-2020, 05:53 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-30-2020 09:08 PM)KurtDangle Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:49 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  it was not tested in 1/6th gravity on an alien rock surface

your claim was that it was not tested. it was tested.

it was tested in low gravity. it was tested near the moon. astronauts tested the controls. the rockets systems were tested on earth. etc ...

NASA had also previously soft landed 5 probes on the moon in the mid 60s, so the moon surface was not unknown.

the only way to "test a moon landing", is to actually do it. they cant recreate the moon on earth.

it's like saying I tested my lovemaking skills on a real doll therefore I can give a girl a perfect orgasm on the first go.
that's not how it works.

the Lunar MOdule was never tested for landing in any type of real scenario on the moon's surface in true 1/6th gravity.
The eagle takeoff was also never tested.

was this tested on earth? or in 1/6th gravity?

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07-31-2020, 06:16 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 05:53 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 09:08 PM)KurtDangle Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:49 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  it was not tested in 1/6th gravity on an alien rock surface

your claim was that it was not tested. it was tested.

it was tested in low gravity. it was tested near the moon. astronauts tested the controls. the rockets systems were tested on earth. etc ...

NASA had also previously soft landed 5 probes on the moon in the mid 60s, so the moon surface was not unknown.

the only way to "test a moon landing", is to actually do it. they cant recreate the moon on earth.

it's like saying I tested my lovemaking skills on a real doll therefore I can give a girl a perfect orgasm on the first go.
that's not how it works.

the Lunar MOdule was never tested for landing in any type of real scenario on the moon's surface in true 1/6th gravity.
The eagle takeoff was also never tested.

was this tested on earth? or in 1/6th gravity?

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Re-entry too. A hugely glossed over aspect of the missions. NASA just doesn't mention much about it, and we are just supposed to think "I guess they got this!"

Whenever they go 'back' don't be surprised if they come out and state they need to keep a bunch of fuel in reserve to be used prior to re-entry.

Re-entry from the altitude of the ISS (200 miles) and the Moon (~237,000 miles) return are TWO DIFFERENT BALL GAMES.
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07-31-2020, 06:22 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
the accent (takeoff) rocket was tested twice in outer space. apollo 5 and 9

it would be impossible to test land and take off on earth.

it was designed to be landed on the moon by astronauts. so no, they could do a practice landing on the moon.

neil armstrong didnt practice walking on the moon before taking his 1st step
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07-31-2020, 06:44 AM
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Quote:the accent (takeoff) rocket was tested twice in outer space. apollo 5 and 9

source?
this was never tested on the lunar surface
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07-31-2020, 06:51 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_5

Objectives

The Apollo 5 mission tested the lunar module in a space environment, in particular its descent and ascent engine systems, and its ability to separate the ascent and descent stages. The descent engine would become the first throttleable rocket engine fired in space.

The mission also performed a simulation of a landing abort, in which the ascent stage engine would be fired while still attached to the descent stage.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_9

The mission was flown to qualify the LM for lunar orbit operations in preparation for the first Moon landing by demonstrating its descent and ascent propulsion systems, showing that its crew could fly it independently, then rendezvous and dock with the CSM again, as would be required for the first crewed lunar landing.


"this was never tested on the lunar surface "

its like saying neil armstrong never tested walking on the moon before walking on it.
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07-31-2020, 07:35 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 06:22 AM)KurtDangle Wrote:  the accent (takeoff) rocket was tested twice in outer space. apollo 5 and 9

it would be impossible to test land and take off on earth.

it was designed to be landed on the moon by astronauts. so no, they could do a practice landing on the moon.

neil armstrong didnt practice walking on the moon before taking his 1st step

Haha! You just rekt yourself. Please retire now, PP.

They used lunar gravity simulators to practice walking on the Moon. Cmon man. This kind of ignorance has to stop. You have proven yourself to be a hack, that just uses whatever argument is expedient at the time.

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07-31-2020, 07:44 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 07:35 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 06:22 AM)KurtDangle Wrote:  the accent (takeoff) rocket was tested twice in outer space. apollo 5 and 9

it would be impossible to test land and take off on earth.

it was designed to be landed on the moon by astronauts. so no, they could do a practice landing on the moon.

neil armstrong didnt practice walking on the moon before taking his 1st step

Haha! You just rekt yourself. Please retire now, PP.

They used lunar gravity simulators to practice walking on the Moon. Cmon man. This kind of ignorance has to stop. You have proven yourself to be a hack, that just uses whatever argument is expedient at the time.

ive posted the lander was tested 3 times in space. i posted they had 5 earth based vehicles to fly in

ey is the one that came out with "tested on the lunar surface" bit

so i showed how silly that is by pointing out neil armstrong didnt test walk on the actual lunar surface

i agree with you, its a ridiculous argument.

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07-31-2020, 07:47 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
This kid doesn't even read the links he posts either!

Apollo 5: "Despite the trouble during the descent-engine burn, NASA deemed the mission a success in demonstrating the LM systems, and a second uncrewed flight test using LM-2 was canceled. LM-3 was cleared for the first crewed LM flight, which occurred on Apollo 9. "

Difficulty in question: "After two orbits, the first planned 39-second descent-engine burn was started, but aborted by the Apollo Guidance Computer after only 4 seconds."

Yep, PP is the kinda guy to say (just like NASA) that testing an engine for 4 seconds constitutes a success.

To top it off, Apollo 5 was UN-CREWED.

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They wanted to go for real, and died for it.

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07-31-2020, 07:50 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 07:47 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  This kid doesn't even read the links he posts either!

Apollo 5: "Despite the trouble during the descent-engine burn, NASA deemed the mission a success in demonstrating the LM systems, and a second uncrewed flight test using LM-2 was canceled. LM-3 was cleared for the first crewed LM flight, which occurred on Apollo 9. "

Difficulty in question: "After two orbits, the first planned 39-second descent-engine burn was started, but aborted by the Apollo Guidance Computer after only 4 seconds."

Yep, PP is the kinda guy to say (just like NASA) that testing an engine for 4 seconds constitutes a success.

the statement by ey is that it was NEVER tested.

was that a test or not?

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07-31-2020, 08:30 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 07:44 AM)KurtDangle Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 07:35 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 06:22 AM)KurtDangle Wrote:  the accent (takeoff) rocket was tested twice in outer space. apollo 5 and 9

it would be impossible to test land and take off on earth.

it was designed to be landed on the moon by astronauts. so no, they could do a practice landing on the moon.

neil armstrong didnt practice walking on the moon before taking his 1st step

Haha! You just rekt yourself. Please retire now, PP.

They used lunar gravity simulators to practice walking on the Moon. Cmon man. This kind of ignorance has to stop. You have proven yourself to be a hack, that just uses whatever argument is expedient at the time.

ive posted the lander was tested 3 times in space. i posted they had 5 earth based vehicles to fly in

ey is the one that came out with "tested on the lunar surface" bit

so i showed how silly that is by pointing out neil armstrong didnt test walk on the actual lunar surface

i agree with you, its a ridiculous argument.

walking on the lunar surface is easy.

it's the soft landing with humans on the moon that is hard. also the takeoff from the moon.
Imagine a rocket that has to take off from the lander. that was the eagle.

None of this was tested on the surface of the moon.
They did simulations but that is a far cry from the real thing.

It's like someone practicing race car driving on Gran Turismo and then in his first time racing F1 he wins the whole thing.

real life does not work that way.

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07-31-2020, 08:33 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(07-31-2020 07:50 AM)KurtDangle Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 07:47 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  This kid doesn't even read the links he posts either!

Apollo 5: "Despite the trouble during the descent-engine burn, NASA deemed the mission a success in demonstrating the LM systems, and a second uncrewed flight test using LM-2 was canceled. LM-3 was cleared for the first crewed LM flight, which occurred on Apollo 9. "

Difficulty in question: "After two orbits, the first planned 39-second descent-engine burn was started, but aborted by the Apollo Guidance Computer after only 4 seconds."

Yep, PP is the kinda guy to say (just like NASA) that testing an engine for 4 seconds constitutes a success.

the statement by ey is that it was NEVER tested.

was that a test or not?

i am very well aware that did some simulation testing of the LM and 1 or 2 times the testing almost killed Neil Armstrong.
It barely worked on earth, yet we are to believe they just got it right the first time on the moon.
the whole thing seems like fantasy really.

they played golf on the moon as well!

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