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July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
07-31-2018, 04:34 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
Forgive me for not addressing the 'Mythbusters'. They are just a couple guys who build models and design special effects. Adam is an actor, and Hyneman has a degree in 'Russian linguistics', LOL.

" Right when Surveyor is landing on the Moon, what is happening back in America?"

Surveyor 1 lands on the Moon on June 2, 1966. Surveyor 2 crashed on the Moon on September 23, 1966 (like anything involving military secrecy, it is possible this was for public consumption). April 20, 1967 Surveyor 3 lands safely on the Moon. The last Surveyor mission was #7, and it landed on January 10, 1968, 18 months before Apollo 11.

Well, about 5 months after the first Surveyor mission what does Howard Hughes do? He moves into Las Vegas. He becomes a 'recluse', goes to live in the penthouse of the Desert Inn, and tapes up all the windows, and has the curtains drawn the ENTIRE TIME. He doesn't leave (allegedly) for 4 years! November 1966 to November 1970. When they tried to kick him out, he BOUGHT THE HOTEL.

Those are the facts. The speculation on my part is that Hughes is reviewing footage, and photos from the Surveyor program (hence why he is sitting in the dark?). Las Vegas is a 40 minute flight from LA, so if any thing is being stored in LA or created in Las Vegas, for a man with a fleet of airplanes transportation would be trivial.

Of course, at the same time Stanley Kubrick is working on 2001: A Space Odyssey. A film that involves a government cover up, not to mention a mission to the Moon! It is released in April 1968. It doesn't acquire cult status until that summer though.

The next summer, July 21, 1969, is when the Apollo 11 footage is shown to the world. I mean, that is when NASA says they landed a man on the Moon for the first time (but which they can't replicate today).

Now, I guess for some people I have still not shown that Howard Hughes had any connection at all with Apollo. He was pretty close to Surveyor, which can't be denied, though. But the most interesting part, never mind all the shadiness and rumors and mysteries surrounding Howard Hughes, was that while previously being a publicity hound and playboy, he became a recluse right around the time of the Surveyor Program, and the filming of 2001: A Space Odyssey!

Who else became famous recluses? Stanley Kubrick, of course. AND... Neil Armstrong.

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07-31-2018, 11:54 AM
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Great stuff, Chaos Reigns.

Do you know what Stanley Kubrick's favorite film was?

Hell's Angels produced & directed by Howard Hughes!!

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07-31-2018, 11:56 AM
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08-01-2018, 08:09 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
Maybe someone is wondering why I posted a picture of a bunch of dudes in starfish costumes... Apparently it was from a Japanese film that 'inspired' Kubrick, Warning from Space. Seems to me there is a bit of a reference to pentagrams and 'all-seeing eye's. But hey, maybe that is just me.

So back to the history lesson. Was Howard Hughes involved in the Apollo Program? Well, if the footage, or the techniques employed, were developed and utilized in the 3 or 4 years prior to the missions, then there seems to be a very good chance indeed that the wealthy man with a lot of connections in Hollywood AND the intelligence community and a murky past was indeed involved.

It seems to me that Hughes would have been ideally suited to provide actual photos of the lunar surface, either so they could be recreated in a studio environment, or pasted together and used in the slides necessary for front screen projection, by Stanley Kubrick. 2001: ASO was being filmed, produced and developed over in London, England, but again, I am not convinced logistics would have been a problem when you are dealing with billions of dollars, and a man like Howard Hughes. There does seem to be the argument made sometimes that it would have been TOO DIFFICULT to fake, therefore it must have been real Big Grin

Well, it turns out that many of the effects that can be created in Photoshop are based on actual photo editing techniques that were in place before digital editing! Cut and paste, dodge and burn, layers, airbrush, and so on. Has any one heard of 'optical printing"? This seems to have been the technique used to create the necessary effects.

"optical printing ... As a technique, it is particularly useful for making copies of hand painted or physically manipulated film"
"As in any analog process, every re-printing degrades the picture, just like a photocopy of a photocopy."

Sounds like the Apollo 11 footage to me!

The idea that this footage couldn't be faked is incredibly amusing to me. And that someone decided it was a good idea to use 'Blue Danube' as the soundtrack (the same music used in 2001: ASO) tells me either they are oblivious, or they know a little bit more than they are letting on:


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08-01-2018, 08:30 AM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
Someone else who was almost certainly involved was... Walt Disney.

This is what you would call '1 degree of separation', I suppose!

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(Walt Disney and Werner Von Braun, former Nazi responsible for the Saturn V rocket used in the Apollo Program)

These days there is a lot of disinfo surrounding the Apollo Program, such as the video I mistakenly posted the other day, where they claim the Secret Space Program has been to the Moon and currently has a base there. They will say "The footage was fake, but we went for real!"

LOL. What I think they are describing is the mixture of real and fake footage that was used to sell the Apollo Program to the gullible public. The rocket launches were real, as pilgrim witnessed. But that doesn't mean they went all the way to the Moon, or had men on board (it seems exceedingly likely that the rockets could well land a probe or rover on the Moon, like the Soviets were doing). What's the difference? Well, probes and rovers don't have to return from the Moon! Also they can withstand radiation and have higher tolerances for G forces. And they don't need life support systems, so less weight to carry.

I contend that a major reason for the Program's propaganda success was that they prepared the audience for it, for close to a decade (even before JFK's "we choose to go to the Moon" speech). Especially the younger generation. So not only were there Disney tie-ins, like I will explore in the future, but SNOOPY too!

"Following the Apollo 1 fire, Snoopy became the official mascot of aerospace safety, testing and the rebuilding of the Apollo Program.

The Apollo 10 lunar module was named Snoopy and the command module Charlie Brown. While not included in the official mission logo, Charlie Brown and Snoopy became semi-official mascots for the mission, as seen here [Image: 10075138.jpg]
and here. Schulz also drew some special mission-related artwork for NASA, and several regular strips related to the mission, one showing Snoopy en route to the moon atop his doghouse with a fishbowl on his head for a helmet.

"We have mentioned," wrote television producer Lee Mendelson, "that Charles Schulz is a gambler, a man who doesn't sit pat on success. The New York Times headlined: 'Creator of Peanuts Tempts Fate on Apollo Mission.' Certainly, if a tragedy had occurred, as well it might have, the symbols would forever remain in man's mind as symbols of disaster. But Sparky has always had faith in the Apollo program, from the very start, and he felt if those men could risk their lives, the least he could do would be to risk the popularity of the characters."[17][18] The strip that ran on July 21, 1969 – one day after the Apollo 11 lunar module Eagle landed on the moon – included a full moon in the background, with a black mark on it representing the module.[19]

The fabric cap worn by NASA astronauts as part of the Extravehicular Mobility Unit is known as a "Snoopy cap", a reference to how the white crown and black earflaps of the cap resemble Snoopy's fur and ears."
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I almost feel bad for NASA. Almost. But they wanted to call critics and skeptics 'crazy', and haven't managed to go 'back' for 47+ year so they get what is coming to them.
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08-01-2018, 08:01 PM
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Quote:In reality, von Braun's on-camera appearance in "Man in Space" and the other two films represented only a portion of his involvement in the actual production of the three shows. Dr. Ernst Stuhlinger, who had worked with von Braun since his days in Germany (meaning he was also a Nazi), also worked for Disney as a technical consultant. According to Stuhlinger, von Braun made sure the Disney artists built accurate models of the space vehicles for the three shows. "Here von Braun was really on home grounds.... He provided a wealth of information on technical details, from in-orbit fueling operations down to problems of cooking and eating under weightlessness," Stuhlinger said. He also recalled the many hours that von Braun devoted to the Disney projects. Von Braun's official duties for the Army often took him to the West Coast to meet with Jupiter and Redstone contractors. After the meetings, he and Stuhlinger would go to the Disney studios where they would work into the morning hours with the artists and producers.[13]

The second show in the series also aired in 1955 and was called "Man and the Moon." It began with an animated sequence devoted to legends and superstitions regarding the moon, among them the idea that the left hind-foot of a rabbit found in a graveyard during the dark of the moon will bring good luck.[14] As one reviewer wrote in the New York Times following the show which aired on December 28, "this is the kind of material that Walt Disney's technicians can devise their brightest graphic effects and they made the most of it." [15]

An educational brochure published to promote "Man and the Moon," said, "This film presents a realistic and believable trip to the moon in a rocket ship - not in some far-off fantastic never-never land, but in the near foreseeable future."[16] Von Braun, complete with a slide rule in his pocket, narrates a section of the film and describes his ideas for a two-phase trip to the moon. The first part of the effort would require building a space station. This base would serve as the staging area for the second part of the trip to the moon. "Our space satellite (station) will have the shape of a wheel measuring 250 feet across. This outside rim will contain living and working quarters for a crew of 50 men," von Braun said. "Just below the radio and radar antenna is an atomic reactor. Its heat will be used to drive a turbo generator which supplies the station with electricity."[17]


FULL ARTICLE HERE: https://history.msfc.nasa.gov/vonbraun/d...ticle.html
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08-01-2018, 08:04 PM
Post: #67
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It gets interesting at around the 19-20 minute mark. This is from 1955 remember.





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08-02-2018, 02:31 AM
Post: #68
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Quote:These days there is a lot of disinfo surrounding the Apollo Program, such as the video I mistakenly posted the other day, where they claim the Secret Space Program has been to the Moon and currently has a base there. They will say "The footage was fake, but we went for real!"

this is actually jay weidner's view. he says they have been to the moon with secret space tech
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08-02-2018, 02:44 AM
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(08-02-2018 02:31 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  
Quote:These days there is a lot of disinfo surrounding the Apollo Program, such as the video I mistakenly posted the other day, where they claim the Secret Space Program has been to the Moon and currently has a base there. They will say "The footage was fake, but we went for real!"

this is actually jay weidner's view. he says they have been to the moon with secret space tech

It seems obvious to me that there is pressure exerted on public figures, such as Joe Rogan, to not go 'full blown Moon hoax'.
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08-02-2018, 02:47 AM
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Joe was big on it for awhile but as he got more popular he had to scale it back.

He STILL believes it's fishy but now he says he doesn't know enough about the science to make an educated opinion

notice you will get more shit for not believing the moon landing compared to flat earth
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08-02-2018, 04:41 AM
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/6912943/mo...ollo-hoax/

tabloid newspaper the SUN is also calling BS
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08-02-2018, 06:36 AM
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08-02-2018, 08:38 AM
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(08-02-2018 02:47 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  Joe was big on it for awhile but as he got more popular he had to scale it back.

He STILL believes it's fishy but now he says he doesn't know enough about the science to make an educated opinion

notice you will get more shit for not believing the moon landing compared to flat earth

I don't want to bring heat on your forum or anything, EY, but one time a few years back I had a long Moon hoax thread on a forum and the creator of the forum shut the WHOLE THING down. He never said why, but he thought the Moon landing was real, and I don't think he was real pleased that the most popular and interesting topic on his forum was a convincing and in-depth thread about the Moon hoax by your truly!
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08-02-2018, 08:44 AM
Post: #74
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well some people grew up with the moon landing and it's part of US mythology

but I actually think at least 50% of americans no longer believe in the moon landing

it's just been too long and the more years that go by , the more it looks like a joke

next year will be a BIG YEAR for moon skeptics... as it will be the 50th ANNIVERSARY
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08-02-2018, 08:47 AM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2018 08:47 AM by Chaos Reigns.)
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(08-02-2018 08:44 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  well some people grew up with the moon landing and it's part of US mythology

but I actually think at least 50% of americans no longer believe in the moon landing

it's just been too long and the more years that go by , the more it looks like a joke

next year will be a BIG YEAR for moon skeptics... as it will be the 50th ANNIVERSARY

It is no accident that I waited for the anniversary to start discussing it. By next year it will definitely be nothing BUT a joke! I aim to look at all sides of it.

The most embarassing part for me is that NASA still can't accomplish it today. That is the most negative part of the Apollo legacy, 'Mankind's greatest ever accomplishment'. That instead of trying to do it FOR REAL, we just said "Been there, done that!"
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