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July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
08-10-2019, 03:47 AM
Post: #661
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
yeah the biggest excuse they had back in the day was 'we've seen everything, no need to go back'

there are so many applications for the technology it's not even funny

yet they destroyed the tech and forgot how to go back.

if you did it so easily in 1969 you should be able to go back easily in 2019
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08-10-2019, 03:59 AM
Post: #662
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(08-10-2019 03:47 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  yeah the biggest excuse they had back in the day was 'we've seen everything, no need to go back'

there are so many applications for the technology it's not even funny

yet they destroyed the tech and forgot how to go back.

if you did it so easily in 1969 you should be able to go back easily in 2019

I think we can all admit we DEFINITELY ain't terraforming Mars, if we can't even land a man on the Moon.
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08-12-2019, 03:19 AM
Post: #663
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
This thread needs to go away. EY already said we landed on the moon.
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08-12-2019, 04:16 AM
Post: #664
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(08-12-2019 03:19 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  This thread needs to go away. EY already said we landed on the moon.

Your post is off topic.
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08-16-2019, 04:59 AM
Post: #665
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
So doesn't look like people are too interested in the engineering side of it. That doesn't surprise me, because when it comes to the Saturn V, like everything else, we have to take NASA's word for it that it could "do what it says on the tin". Because it was retired right after the Apollo Program's cancellation (w/ Apollo-Soyuz, which was probably another hoax, and a way to funnel some hush money from NASA to Roscosmos).

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Although the Apollo Soyuz rendezvous was in Low Earth Orbit, so we can maybe give them the benefit of the doubt.

Point is, after this, the Saturn V was retired.

So back to pop culture. I get the question quite a lot. What is the proof Stanley Kubrick was involved. Wouldn't he have said something? Well, firstly, just like how the fact the manned Moon missions have never been replicated is a smoking gun, that there is no better candidate than Kubrick is also a smoking gun for his involvement.

Then you learn about the extremely unusual and long development of 2001, at the SAME TIME, and it all starts to come together.

I tell them he left clues, but this makes people incredulous. If they killed his ex-wife, why not just come out and spill the beans, completely, overtly. That doesn't make sense to me. It seems obvious that whatever method he would use, a tell all book, a press conference, would be sabotaged or suppressed, and he would be killed. That is why threats are made and people killed, so you know the threats are not empty words.

He decides to use every trick in his arsenal. INCLUDING CASTING.

Well, Jack Nicholson, before playing Jack in The Shining, was in a movie 'Goin South', playing a character named Henry Lloyd Moon!

The lead in Barry Lyndon, Kubrick's film right before The Shining? Ryan O'Neal. Ryan O'Neal's movie immediately prior to Barry Lyndon? PAPER MOON.

Full Metal Jacket, Eyes Wide Shut, AI, I feel like Kubrick was trying to expose different things. The military industrial complex, secret societies and the occult, and pretty sure AI was meant to be much more about pedophilia, not weird alien-looking robots, like Spielberg made it about.
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08-16-2019, 06:33 AM
Post: #666
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
Telemetry Gone

Blueprints Gone

Engineers forgot how to repeat the feat.
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08-16-2019, 10:09 AM
Post: #667
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
Going to the Moon is a little more difficult than calculating how much fuel you need and how fast you have to go, to get to the Moon.

Goalseeking is not the same as engineering!

The engines have to be able to perform as advertised, and this is at different altitudes, different air pressure levels, vacuum, all of the above. It is not so easy.

And it can't have huge G-force changes. This is what put the Saturn V out of commission! They called it 'pogo oscillations' to make it sound like it is just like riding a big Pogo stick! Not so funny when it causes you to lose consciousness tho!

Landing on the Moon, you land on a slope that is 2 degrees steeper than anticipated... That is not some minor problem! You tip over on landing, then what? Get out and tilt the craft up right?
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08-16-2019, 01:35 PM
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RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(08-16-2019 04:59 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  (w/ Apollo-Soyuz, which was probably another hoax, and a way to funnel some hush money from NASA to Roscosmos).

Apollo-Soyuz wasn't a hoax and it wasn't hush money from NASA to Roscosmos. It was a transfer of technology from the Soviet space program to prop up the American space program.

Contrary to popular belief the Soviet Union was the number one technological superstate. Where the Western world beat them was in the presentation of things.

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08-16-2019, 07:30 PM
Post: #669
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^ tend to agree with rezin!
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08-17-2019, 02:51 AM
Post: #670
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(08-16-2019 01:35 PM)rezin Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 04:59 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  (w/ Apollo-Soyuz, which was probably another hoax, and a way to funnel some hush money from NASA to Roscosmos).

Apollo-Soyuz wasn't a hoax and it wasn't hush money from NASA to Roscosmos. It was a transfer of technology from the Soviet space program to prop up the American space program.

Contrary to popular belief the Soviet Union was the number one technological superstate. Where the Western world beat them was in the presentation of things.

The guns used in the Vietnam War are actually a pretty good example of this. Amercan ARs would jam if they got mud and dirt in them, so in a lab they were probably better than the Soviet supplied AKs the Vietcong were using, but in the jungle, after a few weeks? Not so much.

This is also why the Soviet design for their lunar lander had built-in REDUNDANCY and the Apollo design didn't! Also, keep in mind that the Lunar ascent engine used corrosive hypergolic fuel, which meant the ascent engines WEREN'T tested! They were built and installed and that's it!
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08-17-2019, 03:56 AM
Post: #671
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(08-17-2019 02:51 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  The guns used in the Vietnam War are actually a pretty good example of this. Amercan ARs would jam if they got mud and dirt in them, so in a lab they were probably better than the Soviet supplied AKs the Vietcong were using, but in the jungle, after a few weeks? Not so much.

This is also why the Soviet design for their lunar lander had built-in REDUNDANCY and the Apollo design didn't! Also, keep in mind that the Lunar ascent engine used corrosive hypergolic fuel, which meant the ascent engines WEREN'T tested! They were built and installed and that's it!

Yeah. There are Russian kalishnikovs from the 70s still firing in Afghanistan to this day. NATO arms from that period are rusted hunks of shit. But, we had Stanley Kubrick, George Lucas and Industrial Light and Magic. That won the Cold War. Didn't need to actually shoot down MiGs. You just had to film Tom Cruise doing it. Hearts and minds aren't won with superior technology. They are won with superior sales techniques.

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08-17-2019, 04:52 AM
Post: #672
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(08-17-2019 03:56 AM)The Anti-Archon Wrote:  Yeah. There are Russian kalishnikovs from the 70s still firing in Afghanistan to this day. NATO arms from that period are rusted hunks of shit. But, we had Stanley Kubrick, George Lucas and Industrial Light and Magic. That won the Cold War. Didn't need to actually shoot down MiGs. You just had to film Tom Cruise doing it. Hearts and minds aren't won with superior technology. They are won with superior sales techniques.

I'm not really of the opinion that the west won the Cold War. It was sort of a fix from the beginning. Wall St and City of London nurtured and financed the Bolsheviks. Then, when Russia had been demoralized and starting to catch on to what was happening, it was time for the parasite to move on.

Hence the Soviet Aliyah. In the meantime, academia and media was taken over, in the west. Quite a gradual process, but the agents were in there the whole time, since the end of WWII, what we usually call Operation Mockingbird.

Communism was never defeated, it just rebranded, is my current understanding.
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08-17-2019, 05:04 AM
Post: #673
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Russia had nearly all the space firsts, except for the manned moon landing

Russian ingenuity is completely underrated due to terrible portrayals of dumb russians in 80s movies
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08-17-2019, 09:32 AM (This post was last modified: 08-17-2019 01:42 PM by rezin.)
Post: #674
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(08-17-2019 02:51 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  The guns used in the Vietnam War are actually a pretty good example of this. Amercan ARs would jam if they got mud and dirt in them, so in a lab they were probably better than the Soviet supplied AKs the Vietcong were using, but in the jungle, after a few weeks? Not so much.

This is also why the Soviet design for their lunar lander had built-in REDUNDANCY and the Apollo design didn't! Also, keep in mind that the Lunar ascent engine used corrosive hypergolic fuel, which meant the ascent engines WEREN'T tested! They were built and installed and that's it!

The story with the ARs in Vietnam is that the ammunition tested when the guns were accepted was not the same ammunition soldiers got in Vietnam. The different pressure curve did a number on the AR bolts so they were trashed quite fast. The change of ammo was not reported to the manufacturer and it got 1000s of soldiers on the battlefield killed. No one was ever prosecuted for this.

The AR actually performs better in muddy conditions than the AK because of the way gas exits through the bolt carrier of the AR. The AK performs better when dunked in water than the AR due to the AR gas tube. The AK is also chrome plated on the inside (barrel, bolt, gas piston) so it doesnt need to be cleaned as often when used with corrosive primers (which is most of the military ammo out there)

The AR is a newer design than the AK and it's a clever design, thought it seems that it still has some maintenance problems in humid environments. The AK is more than likely easier to maintain in all environments.

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08-17-2019, 10:00 AM
Post: #675
RE: July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
(08-17-2019 05:04 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  Russia had nearly all the space firsts, except for the manned moon landing

Russian ingenuity is completely underrated due to terrible portrayals of dumb russians in 80s movies

The fact is that the Americans tried to reverse engineer the Soviet rockets they currently use to get to space and failed despite having the complete rocket engines because Russian metallurgy is better and a mystery to the US.

Russian ingenuity has always been underrated both now and throughout the centuries. As the joke (that I just made up) goes "Russians invented it, the West patented it". The very long winters with nothing to do probably helped a lot with that inventiveness.

The Americans got 90% of the Nazi rocket program (including blue prints and scientists) the Soviets got 10%. And compare what they could accomplish with what they got.

This has to do with the way American and Russian societies are set up. America constantly has to import it's talent from the rest of the world. Everything from scientist and engineers to actors and directors. Once the imports are depleted, it has to import more because it struggles to create such people.

I'm making generalizations for such a big country but exceptions are called exceptions because they are exceptions.

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