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July 21, 1969: Man walks on the Moon for the 1st time?
09-01-2018, 05:10 AM
Post: #256
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theoretically they should be jumping much higher in 1/6th gravity

the dust arcs should have been higher and more parabolic as well from the buggy
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09-01-2018, 02:38 PM
Post: #257
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09-03-2018, 02:01 PM
Post: #258
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09-03-2018, 02:09 PM
Post: #259
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what is your take on the moon landing pilgrim
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09-03-2018, 05:07 PM
Post: #260
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I was a kid living in Central Fla when it happened. I could see the rockets going up and everyone talked about it and nobody doubted. So being young and impressionable I believed it happened. Now I don't really know any more and I don't think about it a lot. Until there is a smoking gun people will always have questions. Like...Why have we never gone back.
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09-04-2018, 02:44 AM
Post: #261
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(09-03-2018 05:07 PM)pilgrim Wrote:  I was a kid living in Central Fla when it happened. I could see the rockets going up and everyone talked about it and nobody doubted. So being young and impressionable I believed it happened. Now I don't really know any more and I don't think about it a lot. Until there is a smoking gun people will always have questions. Like...Why have we never gone back.

It is important to never let the skeptics get you to do the ole "tell me your single best bit of proof". Because they won't disprove it, no no. They will just try to cast doubt on it, or muddy the waters.

With "why haven't we gone back" they will try to tell 'Conspiracy theorists' it is because "aliens, brah!" or "the firmament!" But they will tell 'Hoax skeptics' that "it is REALLY expensive, man!" So then all of a sudden you have to discuss aliens, flat earth, or the economics of space flight!

If the problem was really the money, then why doesn't NASA split the costs with Japan, China, Russia, Europe and India? Don't you think they would love to land a man on the Moon, as well???

So you have to look at it holistically.

Rockets went up, yes. The astronauts most likely stayed in low Earth orbit, and part of the craft probably then went on to land on the Moon (for those tracking the radio signals, and to do a bit of actual research).

People will say "But if they got into orbit, why not go to the Moon?" Well, I don't think they have been particularly honeset about the VARBs for one (even if it only SHORTENs your life, that is not something the public would be cool with, to see someone like Buzz and Neil die in their early 50s from space radiation), but also, re-entering the atmosphere from 237,000 miles is a little different than re-entry from 237 miles! Lastly, I think the Lunar Orbit Rendezvous would have been REALLY difficult with the technology of the time.

Any more suspicious deaths that any one knows about? I've got at least one more real interesting one!
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09-04-2018, 03:44 AM
Post: #262
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Oh it's a wormhole for sure. That's why I usually stay out of it and figure that when a smoking gun shows up then we can revisit it. But overall it really isn't that important to me whether we went or not.

It's like the whole world trade center discussion. I saw compelling video today of WTC7 going down and what looked like controled demolition explosions. But I don't know the truth of it all and it's not something that I need to absorb myself in. I have no control over it.

My attaction to CTs was a few years back when I realized there was a bit of overlap on some things with Christian end times expectation. The biblical patterns and what CTs were pointing out seemed to align somewhat. It was pretty interesting to me. So I'm not a true blue CT guy, more of a Christian watching the show pan out live. We are in some very interesting times. Whether we actually landed on the moon 50 years ago seems trivial to what is going on in our world right now.
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09-04-2018, 06:43 AM
Post: #263
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(09-04-2018 03:44 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  Oh it's a wormhole for sure. That's why I usually stay out of it and figure that when a smoking gun shows up then we can revisit it. But overall it really isn't that important to me whether we went or not.

It's like the whole world trade center discussion. I saw compelling video today of WTC7 going down and what looked like controled demolition explosions. But I don't know the truth of it all and it's not something that I need to absorb myself in. I have no control over it.

My attaction to CTs was a few years back when I realized there was a bit of overlap on some things with Christian end times expectation. The biblical patterns and what CTs were pointing out seemed to align somewhat. It was pretty interesting to me. So I'm not a true blue CT guy, more of a Christian watching the show pan out live. We are in some very interesting times. Whether we actually landed on the moon 50 years ago seems trivial to what is going on in our world right now.

From my perspective, it is the 'big one', after things like JFK and 9/11. It is important because it was 'positive propaganda', which is really quite rare. Usually conspiracies arise to keep something dirty a secret, like the foundation of ISIS or the assassination of JFK.

In a way, the Apollo Program was the same thing, except it was cover for the US war in Vietnam and.... Nixon's closing of the Gold Window (which took the US dollar off the Gold Standard, effectively): "The Nixon shock[1] was a series of economic measures undertaken by United States President Richard Nixon in 1971, the most significant of which was the unilateral cancellation of the direct international convertibility of the United States dollar to gold. "

The My Lai Massacre is also tied to the Apollo Program, although it happened in May 1968, it was not revealed to the public until mid-November 1969 (Time Magazine didn't cover it until November 28, '69)! Apollo 12 was underway from November 14 to November 24!

The Nixon Shock was announced on Sunday, August 15, 1971, and Apollo 15 had concluded from July 26 to August 7th, 1971!

Now to merge the next two topics a bit... Were there more strange deaths connected to the Apollo Program? Well, if we accept that it is highly likely that Kubrick and his gang (Ken Adam, Wally Veevers, Douglas Trumbull), then we also have to give serious consideration to the widely spread idea that Kubrick wanted to 'blow the whistle'... Other than Kubrick's death, were there any other mysterious deaths surrounding him, perhaps in the years prior to the 'manned' Moon landing?
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09-04-2018, 07:39 AM
Post: #264
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Quote:People will say "But if they got into orbit, why not go to the Moon?" Well, I don't think they have been particularly honeset about the VARBs for one (even if it only SHORTENs your life, that is not something the public would be cool with, to see someone like Buzz and Neil die in their early 50s from space radiation), but also, re-entering the atmosphere from 237,000 miles is a little different than re-entry from 237 miles! Lastly, I think the Lunar Orbit Rendezvous would have been REALLY difficult with the technology of the time.

not to mention cataracts
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09-04-2018, 07:41 AM
Post: #265
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Quote:From my perspective, it is the 'big one', after things like JFK and 9/11. It is important because it was 'positive propaganda', which is really quite rare. Usually conspiracies arise to keep something dirty a secret, like the foundation of ISIS or the assassination of JFK.

it is big because it would make US look like a laughing stock. Anytime the US would make a claim, the world would be like YOU LIED TO US ABOUT THE MOON LANDING, what else can you lie about.

i think they are waiting until enough time passes to reveal what really happened.

it's also interesting how they are already starting the rumors of BUZZ's mental health
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09-04-2018, 10:48 AM
Post: #266
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Yep, they definitely want to pre-empt any sort of death bed confession by Buzz.

Alright... I won't keep the OG, I mean, Evil Academy waiting any longer.

So the next phase we will be discussing the Moon and Moon landing's history in film. For obvious reasons Kubrick's name keeps getting brought up, for the primary reason that he was making a space movie (2001: A Space Odyssey) in the 5 years prior to the Apollo Program. Not just any space movie, but a cutting edge one, from a special effects point of view. Therefore he was the foremost expert on 'filming outer space' at the time of the Apollo missions.

Suffice to say we will examine almost the entirety of Kubrick's career (and life) in this context, but for now, we will look at what is already widely known as being THE film where Kubrick tried to blow the whistle on the hoaxed manned Moon landing. The Shining.

The basic gist is that The Shining is telling multiple stories simultaneously, which results in people give drastically differing interpretations, as covered by the likes of numerous Youtube documentaries, is that Jack Nicholson's character represents Stanley Kubrick at the time of filming the Apollo Program. We will go into that, but for now I will jump straight to the pertinent point. Danny, the boy, is able to psychically contact Halloran who then comes to the hotel to rescue them, and succeeds (because he brings the Snowcat that they use to escape) but in the process he is killed by Jack.

So the idea being conveyed seems to be that the naive part of Stanley (the child, Danny) tells someone he can trust about what he is involved in, but then that person dies because of Stanley's actions. They can't kill Stanley because he is too important to the project AT THAT TIME, but they can certainly warn him.

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Well... Did anyone close to Kubrick die during the time the Apollo Program would have been under development? YES! Ruth Sobotka, his 2nd wife! She dies June 17, 1967, after what wiki calls 'a brief illness'! At the age of just 41!

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That is less than 6 months after the Apollo 1 fire, and less than 3 months after the death of Thomas Baron! Astronauts, silenced. Contractors, silenced. Director and others involved in filming, silenced.
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09-04-2018, 11:22 AM
Post: #267
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great stuff keep it coming
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09-04-2018, 01:44 PM
Post: #268
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09-04-2018, 01:54 PM
Post: #269
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I wonder if NASA will eventually stage an Alien encounter psyop. After rewatching some Fermi Paradox videos I've come to believe that there are no aliens. we are alone in the universe. 400 billion stars in the Milky Way alone. If intelligent life was even remotely a recurring phenomenon, they would be in touch with us. But Nasa claims a near 100% chance of discovering alien life in the next 30 years.




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09-04-2018, 03:32 PM
Post: #270
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aliens exist, but they are probably further away then we could ever imagine

also if aliens existed and could find us.. with their tech we'd be in deep doo doo
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