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11-27-2018, 07:38 AM
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(11-27-2018 06:54 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  
(11-27-2018 03:37 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  the bull run has to be losing steam..

it's been way too long since even a major correction

so I would say the timing is about right, but who knows..

there are new normals being constructed everyday

people are too used to the idea of up and down business cycles.. maybe it will just keep going

People may be used to up and down, but are Millenials? They are the sheep for this cycle, ready for slaughter. So probably Facebook, Amazon, Google, Apple, will go to levels that tempt them to invest, even have a small rally in those stocks, and then BAM, BOOM, BADDABING, the algos will all decide to sell that rally.


does the "average" millennial even invest in the equity markets or will it be more the 401k/IRA contributors which will feel the pain of a downturn in the equity markets? Of course people will chime that "the equity markets are not the economy" but how was the economy during the last downturn?

so unfortunately those caught in the rain without their umbrella may get wet. It's always good to prepare for the foul weather during times of good weather. Of course I also believe there is also some "luck factor" involved in managing life and risk and we make the best efforts we can and then hope we can weather the storms if we have some luck.......maybe faith and prayer helps too but that should not excuse one to probably also make some responsible effort of their own too.
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11-27-2018, 07:44 AM
Post: #182
RE: FROZEN @ MixedMartialArts.com & ???
and please note, I do not hope or wish for a downturn or for the economic suffering of those which would be impacted during a downturn.....I only wish to inspire responsible preparation and then I will encourage to hope/pray for those which suffer some misery as result of economic downturn. Even when we make our best efforts, sometimes things don't go our way and so that is why I wish to encourage prayers and not judgements.....and to be humbly thankful when our efforts are successful.
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11-27-2018, 09:35 AM
Post: #183
RE: FROZEN @ MixedMartialArts.com & ???
(11-27-2018 06:54 AM)Chaos Reigns Wrote:  
(11-27-2018 03:37 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  the bull run has to be losing steam..

it's been way too long since even a major correction

so I would say the timing is about right, but who knows..

there are new normals being constructed everyday

people are too used to the idea of up and down business cycles.. maybe it will just keep going

People may be used to up and down, but are Millenials? They are the sheep for this cycle, ready for slaughter. So probably Facebook, Amazon, Google, Apple, will go to levels that tempt them to invest, even have a small rally in those stocks, and then BAM, BOOM, BADDABING, the algos will all decide to sell that rally.

yeah but at the same time, people know from expereince than when shit drops you buy... those who bought at the height of the recession in 09 are making it big now.. esp. real estate

people have to remember, that even if shtf, the buildings are still there, the roads are still there, the infrastructure is still there

to many people have this idea that it could be 1929 again. it won't.. due to globalization, global markets and better infrastructure and communications. the economy is much more reactive now

a huge one like 09 may not happen for awhile . that's what I'm thinking

as long as population keeps increasing and people want to live in big cities where the action is.. it's safe to assume that prices will keep rising, esp. for real estate

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11-28-2018, 04:39 AM
Post: #184
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there is always a valid opposing argument to explain if the market will go up or down. Every day Market Experts on the Financial News Networks argue both sides and give Expert Analysis to support their perspective to what direction the market is headed next and they will debate this all the way up and all the way down........

I have time on my side. There is no need for me to commit too much now, so I will be patient and wait for better opportunity in the future. For now I will stockpile my supplies(capital) and continue to save to fortify the castle defense, and then when there is superior opportunity I will deploy my capital minions to their full advantage!
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11-28-2018, 04:51 AM
Post: #185
RE: FROZEN @ MixedMartialArts.com & ???
I have also wondered if we are at Peak Capitalism cycle and have contemplated if there are cycles to Political Systems and that there is a life cycle, it grows to a certain point until it peaks and then begins to decline and this is true for Democracy, Capitalism, Communism, and Socialism.....

that there are always universal laws......what goes up must come down, nothing stays the same and change/evolution is the only certainty.......saturation(peak prices/cost of living) then reset/change........

I am not so worried that I could commit money to a dying system. It is far worse to suffer alone than together and if the system changes then it will impact a great number of people and so I would not be alone in my experience and we would simply grow into the new system together.......but if the system does not change in our generation and I continue on my path as it is then I stand a good chance to better my position and live more comfortably in the current system.
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11-28-2018, 05:10 AM
Post: #186
RE: FROZEN @ MixedMartialArts.com & ???
The reason it can't go up indefinitely is because when it always goes up, people start using more leverage. So they borrow money, and then not only do they buy equities, but instead they place bets, I mean buy options!

Which then leads to MORE leverage and GREATER bets, I mean option buying.

Until at some point a company is valued WAY beyond what it is realistically worth, and the only ones buying the shares are the company itself, doing buybacks, to justify to the market "See, we think it is a fair valuation" which is then in FACT the grossest sort of capital misallocation!
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11-28-2018, 07:41 AM
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I don't understand why companies are always trying to grow. What's wrong with making good money and staying that way?

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11-28-2018, 10:14 AM
Post: #188
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(11-28-2018 07:41 AM)Billygoat Wrote:  I don't understand why companies are always trying to grow. What's wrong with making good money and staying that way?

it's a disease of the western capitalist mindset

always have to keep growing expanding, dominating and taking over markets

in the past if you could run a good consistent business, you were all good

now you're a failure if you don't keep opening new branches and expanding

we need an entire new paradigm... the world's resources are getting depleted, the whales are choking on the plastic in the ocean.

we need brand new paradigms.

they need to institute RIGHT TO REPAIR laws... meaning instead of replacing what you buy with a new device, you have a right to repair it at a fair price.

We need to encourage buying used..

I just can't see how this walmart economy can continue... the earth has finite resources.

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11-28-2018, 10:17 AM
Post: #189
RE: FROZEN @ MixedMartialArts.com & ???
(11-28-2018 04:39 AM)karasu Wrote:  there is always a valid opposing argument to explain if the market will go up or down. Every day Market Experts on the Financial News Networks argue both sides and give Expert Analysis to support their perspective to what direction the market is headed next and they will debate this all the way up and all the way down........

I have time on my side. There is no need for me to commit too much now, so I will be patient and wait for better opportunity in the future. For now I will stockpile my supplies(capital) and continue to save to fortify the castle defense, and then when there is superior opportunity I will deploy my capital minions to their full advantage!

as long as the population is growing either through immigration or through birthrates... assets will continue to rise over time.

we are living in a world with near perfect information.. those hoping for a major crash will not get their hopes fulfilled imo.

people saw what happened. the sky was falling in 07-09.. then everyone who bought and took advantage during that time are rich today. that psychology is preventing any massive correction or selloffs

also IMO the US is in a very strong position globally. culturally, technologically and military they are the WORLD LEADER bar none. IMO China has already given up on projecting its power worldwide. they are more concentrated in keeping their own house in order now.

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11-28-2018, 02:40 PM
Post: #190
RE: FROZEN @ MixedMartialArts.com & ???
(11-28-2018 10:14 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  
(11-28-2018 07:41 AM)Billygoat Wrote:  I don't understand why companies are always trying to grow. What's wrong with making good money and staying that way?

it's a disease of the western capitalist mindset

always have to keep growing expanding, dominating and taking over markets

in the past if you could run a good consistent business, you were all good

now you're a failure if you don't keep opening new branches and expanding

we need an entire new paradigm... the world's resources are getting depleted, the whales are choking on the plastic in the ocean.

we need brand new paradigms.

they need to institute RIGHT TO REPAIR laws... meaning instead of replacing what you buy with a new device, you have a right to repair it at a fair price.

We need to encourage buying used..

I just can't see how this walmart economy can continue... the earth has finite resources.


this is why I am contemplating the possibility of "Peak Capitalism" and the possibility that with each new major correction we will see new regulations and social changes which lead to a different system.
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11-28-2018, 02:43 PM
Post: #191
RE: FROZEN @ MixedMartialArts.com & ???
(11-28-2018 10:17 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  
(11-28-2018 04:39 AM)karasu Wrote:  there is always a valid opposing argument to explain if the market will go up or down. Every day Market Experts on the Financial News Networks argue both sides and give Expert Analysis to support their perspective to what direction the market is headed next and they will debate this all the way up and all the way down........

I have time on my side. There is no need for me to commit too much now, so I will be patient and wait for better opportunity in the future. For now I will stockpile my supplies(capital) and continue to save to fortify the castle defense, and then when there is superior opportunity I will deploy my capital minions to their full advantage!

as long as the population is growing either through immigration or through birthrates... assets will continue to rise over time.

we are living in a world with near perfect information.. those hoping for a major crash will not get their hopes fulfilled imo.

people saw what happened. the sky was falling in 07-09.. then everyone who bought and took advantage during that time are rich today. that psychology is preventing any massive correction or selloffs

also IMO the US is in a very strong position globally. culturally, technologically and military they are the WORLD LEADER bar none. IMO China has already given up on projecting its power worldwide. they are more concentrated in keeping their own house in order now.


I also agree with the possibility that the "over-time" theory holds true yet I do believe there will be significant corrections as I do not believe markets will go up without correcting along the way......but eventually, I do not know when and in how many generations, capitalism will peak and then the system will evolve.
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12-05-2018, 06:44 AM
Post: #192
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Is "DOW Theory" still relevant?
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12-06-2018, 04:10 AM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2018 04:10 AM by karasu.)
Post: #193
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I miss some of those good fellows at that "Other Forum" and wish one of you good fellows here would let them know how I am well and posting here Big Grin

it would be fun to enjoy a good chinwag with them again!

if I made a account over there to tell them how I am posting here would that thread and account be BANNED?
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12-06-2018, 04:13 AM
Post: #194
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and THIS is what concerns me and I tried to WARN my friends at that "Other Forum" before I was BANNED:


"People aren't paying their credit cards and more accounts are being shut down, and it could be a sign that 'economic clouds are darkening'

Credit-card delinquencies, application rejections, and involuntary account closures are all on the upswing, according to a report from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

The trends most likely indicate that credit-card companies issued debt too freely in the preceding years.-------



https://www.businessinsider.com/people-a...wn-2018-12
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12-06-2018, 05:01 AM
Post: #195
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The OG is like a body that rejects the medicine, in favor of the virus.
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