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04-26-2018, 08:16 PM
Post: #16
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
Master Wong is really practicing JKD.



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05-01-2018, 05:39 AM
Post: #17
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
(04-26-2018 07:50 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  the most valuable aspect imo is the trapping in WC

Yep. But the skill doesn't have to be used literally. WC people should also be putting on gloves and practicing Boxing Parries and Slips.

Some of that hand-fighting magic is taught in Muay Thai too, of course, they're using it for bigger scores like Elbows, Knees and getting a Head-Clinch.
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05-01-2018, 05:45 AM
Post: #18
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
German police supposedly train WC

imo a lot of TMAs actually work against untrained people

WC would be very effective against someone who doesn't know anything, but prob not effective against a boxer or MT guy

the WC stance is a complete joke in terms of defending leg kicks

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05-03-2018, 06:46 AM
Post: #19
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
^ Possibly the worst fighting stance ever created.

-- Groin Exposed
-- Can easily be knocked backwards
-- Chin Up and exposed
-- Hands and shoulders pulled too far back to quickly strike or defend
-- Inward facing knees mean you Can't Kick, Can't Check Kicks
-- Pigeon toes prevent hip rotation (i.e. Power)
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05-05-2018, 01:24 PM
Post: #20
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
WC was invented by a woman so maybe that was the anti-rape stance.
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01-17-2019, 09:10 AM
Post: #21
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
Fatbody says:

I see you've retreated to your web forum to do some anti Wing Chun trolling. The thing with Wing Chun is these guys that "spar" other people on youtube don't know how to use the art. There are two punches in Wing Chun, and only one of them is good. There is the normal punch which can be the chain punch that you've probably seen, and there is a twisting punch to the body. The twisting punch straight up does no damage unless you've practiced it 15+ years. The chain punch is only useful to hit the nose to stun someone. People aiming this punch at the jaw or body are copying the IP Man movie and don't know what they are doing. I've been practicing that twisting punch basically my entire life and I still have zero power on it and would never use it in a fight. Practicing that motion is the same motion for a low huen sau which can be used to twist a man's balls off though. The punches have the same motion as a gouge or a genital twist which work quite well in a fight.

These Wing Chun guys get out and try to box a boxer with these two punches and it's just retardation. These guys use the traditional footwork and let the boxer get the angle for basic boxing combinations over and over again and just get destroyed. The traditional footwork is to ensure you don't get pushed backwards in a massive weapons fight with 30+ people. It's not for sparring people from a martial art 600 years in the future.

Wing Chun has massive limitations in sparring with modern martial artists. What it doesn't have limits on is building the speed of your attacks and these attacks don't have to be a punch. If I fight someone that's a danger to me and I'm scared I only punch them once in the nose, every other move is to the eyes and throat and balls. It's for cheap shotting multiple drunk attackers and rapists and murderers and getting away, not sparring.

The art itself is only 108 techniques from snake and crane Kung Fu, it's not even suitable for fighting other Kung Fu guys in sparring, if you want to do that you need to fully learn Shaolin arts which I think is stupid because you might as well just become a kickboxer at that point, you will shit on everyone in limited sparring.

Wing Chun is the fastest and most scientific way to blind a man in an extreme situation, anyone boxing with it is automatically a retard in my book.
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01-17-2019, 09:14 AM
Post: #22
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
scientifically wing chun checks out

with proper conditioning I believe it is a very lethal martial art

it just does not work with gloves and or with modern rulesets

on the streets where you can eye gouge or jab the throat, it's usefulness increases

also german police use Wing Chun so I doubt they'd waste their time with just another flowery TMA
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05-06-2019, 12:58 AM
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05-06-2019, 03:01 AM
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05-06-2019, 03:10 AM
Post: #25
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
Will Master Wong answer these guys? They're in the same country.



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05-06-2019, 03:41 AM
Post: #26
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
(01-17-2019 09:14 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  scientifically wing chun checks out

What does that even mean?

Their rabbit punches are a joke.
Their stance is a joke.
They don't practice defence against Hooks or Looping Punches.
They don't practice defence against Leg-kicks or Takedowns.
They don't practice defence against knees or elbows or any clinch attacks.
They don't practice any type of long-range attacks.
They don't practice any type of range-control / distance-management.
Every sparring match devolves into a slap fight or a bizarre pushing contest.

As a self-defence system Wing Chun falls flat on its face.
Sure, there are some cool nuggets in WC. That's true of most TMA that specialize in one area.
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05-07-2019, 05:09 AM
Post: #27
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
the basic theory that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line checks out

they also practice DEADLY moves such as throat attacks and eye gouges which are very useful in a street fight

there is also a strike first and strike hard mentality in WC that works in avg. street situations

weakness is general conditioning and many of the points you mentioned

but I do see MMA fighters USE WC techniques like TRAPPING, esp. ANDERSON SILVA
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05-08-2019, 11:37 PM (This post was last modified: 05-08-2019 11:41 PM by Glimmer.)
Post: #28
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
Last week i had an interesting sparring experience with my brother in law, who is practicing Wing Chung for a couple of years now and who i invited to my gym for some boxing lessons. Before that we had multiple discussions about Wing Chung, boxing and Muay Thai in relation to other martial arts and he has been to our gym before and we once before had a short sparring session.

But to cut down to the interesting part.

So after the training was done, my brother in law (Joe, he's chinese) asked me to do some sparring with him and he would use Wing Chung and i, as a boxer and Muay Thai practioner would use Muay Thai and boxing.

So as i already knew but got it confirmed again. One of the main flaws in Wing Chung is the "keep pushing forward" approach and rigid stance with limited punches and or use off kicks. In short

With him pushing forward wanting to create pressure, with no real defense except a hand somewhere i countered his forward movement at first circuling backwards while throwing jabs to keep him busy.

After that i tried a new approach and let him come in, dodging and slapping his hands away while firing some body shots which resulted in a double left hook combination. one to the liver, one the head. As there is no defense in Wing Chung appareantly. So we stopped the fight where i explained if these where real punches he would be knocked out for sure

Than he wanted to go again..Except now he wanted to see how he would do with Muay Thai techniques.

So same story for him with same strategy -> follow oppononent, push forward and put on the pressure while trying to unbalance me. Where i in return kept him busy with jabs and little punch combinations followed by some light lowkicks inside and outside leg to distablize him and come in with the knee to the body as he obviously was trying to come forward again. It didn't go hard but he ate that knee.

After that we stopped the sparring. And we started discussing the event. To my surprise he told me he was dissapointed because he wasn't able to put the pressure on like his sifu tells him as he would face a boxer/Muay Thai and therefore he found that i was in balance, relax, sharp in control and dangerous to him.

this is what i often notice when talking about martial arts in general. They all think that they know how the opponent will react and base there strategy and action on this. Where i told by brother in law that every fight is different and that "keep pushing forward" to destablize the opponent sometimes work but not every time and especially not against a trained fighter because he will start evading and countering, or will lure you in.

This is a concept farely strange at least to my brother in law and his gym. Play the fight game, be unpredictable, THINK when you fight, observe your opponent etc. etc.

In defense of Wing Chung i might say that on the streets it COULD be leathal with the rapid punches and relentless following. In sports or against a trained fighter it is hopeless i think

What did surprise when sparring whas that when i threw some combinations i was used to the idea my opponent would start evading or shell up. In this case my brother in law didn't move but executed an attack with some punches. That surprised me and he got me with some. But, shelling up and moving in to his actions stopped it immediatly.

And i am no professional fighter and neither is my brother but neithless to say it was a lot of fun for us and there was no hard feelings whatsoever. It was just very interesting to see for us both how the dynamics of our both specialty's work against each other

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05-09-2019, 02:21 AM
Post: #29
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
great post.

I do think WC has some merit, esp. with strike first strike hard.
in WC they teach you to eye gouge + strike the throat.

Overall it's a flawed MA for sure.

but the issue is, very few WC guys train conditioning. if they did it would be more interesting.
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05-10-2019, 12:33 AM
Post: #30
RE: Master Wong's Wing Chun, no can defend.
(05-09-2019 02:21 AM)pug-thug Wrote:  great post.

I do think WC has some merit, esp. with strike first strike hard.
in WC they teach you to eye gouge + strike the throat.

Overall it's a flawed MA for sure.

but the issue is, very few WC guys train conditioning. if they did it would be more interesting.

Well i guess Wing Chung can be pretty dangerous to an unknowing opponent. The strike first, strike hard philosophy works and that pushing forward regardless what is terrifying if you don't know how to defend or just unaware.

But the strikes they make aren't that hard or significant. Plus it's a very one dimensional approach in my experience. Maybe there are better Wing Chung fighters but from what i've seen, training with them, seeing how they handle in a competitive enviroment and analysing tactics etc.

It does leave the impression with me that the art in practical way is more or less outdatet

Sifu litteraly told my brother in law when fighting a boxer to: NOT GET HIT because then it's more or less over!? What kind of tactic is that!? Boxers are very dangerous with there hands according to the Sifu. Duh... And you always get hit during a fight..

So his advice instead ; keep pushing and keep throwing punches.. i mean... The guy obviously doesnt understand boxing or any other MA at all except his Wing Chung and it works.. Against Wing Chung

Any other MA will decimate them

That whole hand/arm wiggling stuff they practice. Even without my boxing gloves i will put my arms up, tuck my chin in, go with his flow and follow the motions etc and he's is pretty much powerless because are arms are strangeld and he couldn't pass this defense. And for the record.. I allowed him to come close and throw some shots

I doesn't work like the theory tells them

I may sound that i don't like Wing Chung or take it serious. That isn't the case. Wing Chung have a lot of merit and a rich filosophy one can learn a lot from and i also picked up a lot of usefull insights for my boxing / Muay Thai game

But they have to stop pretending that there MA is equal or better than any other. Because it just isn't

It's like Thai Chi.. You can't beat someone k.o. with Thai Chi. Yet it is a very rich and colourfull art








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