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China wants to sinicize the bible. Christians can't get it right now.
04-05-2018, 02:01 AM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2018 02:04 AM by pilgrim.)
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China wants to sinicize the bible. Christians can't get it right now.
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I'm not sure what to make of this. Why would China bother? They are going against God by doing this.

China cracks down on sale of bible amid Vatican talks

4 April 2018

China appears to have banned the bible from being sold online or in large book stores, as Beijing and the Vatican negotiate a historic agreement.

Searches for bibles on major e-commerce platforms JD.com and Taobao brought up no results, while staff at one of Beijing's biggest book stores said they no longer sell the book.

The removal of the book comes amid tensions between China and Rome over a landmark deal that some observers believe is close to being signed.

The agreement, which would give the Vatican more control over the appointment of bishops in China, has sparked concern among some Chinese Catholics.

They believe recognising Beijing's role in the Catholic church would represent a betrayal of their faith.

China's ruling Communist Party is officially atheist, but the Chinese government recognises Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Protestantism and Catholicism.

Chinese leaders have called for increased efforts to "Sinocise" religion, in comments which are seen as being part of a wider clampdown on Western ideas.
A woman prays during a mass on Holy Saturday, part of Easter celebrations
A woman prays during a mass on Holy Saturday, part of Easter celebrations Credit: AFP

Christians in China have complained on social media that people are being prohibited from buying the bible online.

The websites of the huge Xinhua Book Stores in Beijing's Wangfujing and Xidan shopping districts also showed that there were no bibles for sale.

A staff member at the Wangfujing store told The Telegraph that the bible had been removed from sale for some time. She did not know why.

Authorities have only confirmed that warnings have been issued to some online retailers.

The Global Times said regulators "held talks" with JD.com "about selling illegal products, publications and other printed materials online."

The company "had failed to regulate products and so caused a negative social impact", the regulators said.

China on Monday released its first white paper on religious freedom in more than two decades.

It pledged to protect religious freedom, but also called on religions to adapt to a socialist society.

Additional reporting by Christine Wei

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04...can-talks/
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04-05-2018, 04:17 AM
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oh shit it's true. type in 圣经 into jd.com and you get no results.
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04-05-2018, 04:28 AM
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RE: China wants to sinicize the bible. Christians can't get it right now.
I like christianity but it's not for Chinese. it should not be promoted in China as the bible does not mention them as a people and it doesn't fit with chinese culture

it's way too foreign. But the solution isn't banning. it's no promotion or encouragement. I believe people should be free to believe what they want, even scientology as long as you're not taking harmful action
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04-05-2018, 04:31 AM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2018 04:32 AM by DonJohnson.)
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RE: China wants to sinicize the bible. Christians can't get it right now.
If you are a Japanese/Chinese/Korean and you believe the bible. You are a mental handicap.

It's a religion that doesn't even acknowledge your existance. You fucking chinaman eyed reject.


Christianity and all that chit is western propaganda and written by the Jews for the white people. Not to say the whites aren't dumb either, but I get why they get swindled because a part of their history is in the bible.


but the CHinaman though. fukken LMAO




I applaud Lord Xi Jinping. He's doing the right thing for his people. Get that stupid Jewish religion out of China.
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04-05-2018, 04:37 AM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2018 04:38 AM by DonJohnson.)
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and collecting Tithes which gets channeled back to Pedophile central Vatican City where the age of consent was like 11. Priests don't fuk doe. so why do they have an age of consent? fukken LMAO


That old insufferable comedian said it best, "God is almighty, alknowing, and all that chit but he needs your damn money. "


please G T F O H w dat BOLCHEEEEEEEEEEIiitttttttttttttttt
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04-05-2018, 04:40 AM
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Chinese are mentioned along with everyone else. There are Jews and then there are gentiles (everyone else).
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04-05-2018, 05:29 AM
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the problem is China had a more advanced society during biblical times than anywhere in the west or the middle east.

how could the bible (written by god) not mention these people? why would god make a civilization more advanced and not mention them at the time of writing?
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04-05-2018, 05:32 AM
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(04-05-2018 04:28 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  I like christianity but it's not for Chinese

Yup
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04-05-2018, 05:32 AM
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(04-05-2018 05:29 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  the problem is China had a more advanced society during biblical times than anywhere in the west or the middle east.

Lol why do you always ruin your good points by reaching like this.
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04-05-2018, 05:39 AM
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(04-05-2018 04:40 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  Chinese are mentioned along with everyone else. There are Jews and then there are gentiles (everyone else).

What part of Chinese history is mentioned in the bible?


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04-05-2018, 06:15 AM
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RE: China wants to sinicize the bible. Christians can't get it right now.
(04-05-2018 05:32 AM)Shahanshah Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 05:29 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  the problem is China had a more advanced society during biblical times than anywhere in the west or the middle east.

Lol why do you always ruin your good points by reaching like this.

why is that reaching?

around 0 AD, China was more advanced than the Middle East or most of Europe

why would the bible fail to mention them, esp. if it claims universality?

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04-05-2018, 06:18 AM
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RE: China wants to sinicize the bible. Christians can't get it right now.
(04-05-2018 06:15 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 05:32 AM)Shahanshah Wrote:  
(04-05-2018 05:29 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  the problem is China had a more advanced society during biblical times than anywhere in the west or the middle east.

Lol why do you always ruin your good points by reaching like this.

why is that reaching?

around 0 AD, China was more advanced than the Middle East or Europe

It's just lowkey Asian nationalism, how was Ancient China provably more advanced than any ancient civilization at that time?
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04-05-2018, 06:59 AM
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RE: China wants to sinicize the bible. Christians can't get it right now.
EY has absolutely no clue what he's talking about.

Hey. It's good to be proud of your race. It's good to defend your own people from insults. But when you argue out of a cesspool of ignorance you are only subjecting yourself to hatred and ridicule.


China was more advanced than the West / Middle East during a brief window of time, from the high Middle Ages to the Italian Renaissance. Period.

Why don't we look at some metrics here:


WRITING: The earliest Chinese writing is Oracle Bone Script, which was invented around 1300 B.C. (give or take a few centuries). The earliest Middle Eastern script is 4600 years old. The oldest European writing (Linear A, from the Minoans) is roughly 4500 years old.

And Middle Eastern civilizations were using their script to write complex works like epic poems and legal codes... The Code of Hammurabi dates to 1754 B.C. and the Hymn to Inana dates to 2285 B.C. The Chinese were using their script for primitive divination. Where are all your epic works of ancient literature? There's almost none until the 900s B.C.

So you are over 1000 years behind Europe / the Fertile Crescent on that metric.



METALLURGY: Again you are many centuries behind the Middle East. The Bronze Age began in 3300 B.C. in the Fertile Crescent / southern Europe. The Chinese only reached the Bronze Age like 1200 years later.

Ditto for iron / steel. The Iron Age began ~3200 years ago out West; China only reached the Iron Age about 2800 years ago. Metal is used in nearly everything from agricultural tools to weaponry so I don't need to discuss any other technology.


ARCHITECTURE: You got absolutely nothing. I don't even need to discuss the ancient Middle Eastern artifacts that have endured for millennia. The Temple of Zeus, the Parthenon, the Pantheon, etc. all of these date from the 6th century B.C. onwards.

Where are all your ancient Chinese artifacts? Other than the Great Wall you've got nothing.

After the collapse of the Roman Empire, the rest of Europe caught up very quickly too. The French were building shit like this in the 1200s, A.D. Where is all your amazing Chinese architecture?

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04-05-2018, 07:06 AM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2018 07:08 AM by Ghost of Hellfire Awaits.)
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On certain metrics, you were always indisputably backwards, even when you were more advanced on the whole. The Chinese thought the Earth was flat / resting on a dome until the 1600s A.D. That is embarrassing. The Greeks figured that shit out 2000 years earlier.

When the Roman Empire collapsed they left behind a giant technological hole that required centuries of recovery time. And northern Europeans were savages up to that point. China surged forward during the Tang / Song Dynasties and that's about it.


We can have an intellectual discussion about how and why this disparity occurred but you are simply not up to the intellectual challenge. You know nothing and you are a deeply ignorant person. Need I continue?



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04-05-2018, 07:20 AM
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Legitimate, world changing discoveries from Asia include the following:

1) PAPER: The raw materials exist worldwide, but it was only invented once by the Chinese. It was indisputably superior to anything in Europe or the Middle East at the time. Vellum and papyrus are simply inferior products. It's impossible to have mass dissemination of information without a cheap and lasting writing material, paper allowed the flourishing of everything from military technology to poetry in the old world.

2) GUNPOWDER: Self-explanatory, Chinese not only discovered this but also created the first guns and cannons.

3) PRINTING AND MOVABLE TYPE: Invented by Chinese, later spread to the Middle East. There's some debate over whether the Arabs introduced it to Europe but regardless of origin, they were centuries behind Asia.

4) LODESTONE / COMPASS: Possibly discovered independently in Europe, but the Chinese got there first.


There is also great engineering projects like the Grand Canal that stretches over 1000 miles, with complex locks and flood protection systems.

Other than that you cannot boast of a civilization that was more advanced than the rest. Europe fell behind severely after the collapse of Rome and then surged ahead with the Renaissance.

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