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Why have Martial Arts been so important in East Asian societies in particular?
01-18-2018, 05:47 AM (This post was last modified: 01-18-2018 05:48 AM by kungfool.)
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RE: Why have Martial Arts been so important in East Asian societies in particular?
(01-18-2018 05:19 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  also nothing wrong with soft styles like Wing Chun IMO. Wing Chun is logical as a system the problem is there is no consistent conditioning regimen

Hadn't you done Wrestling and BJJ, and watched a bunch of MMA before you tried Wing Chun?
I don't have a problem if Wanderlei Silva wants to do Tai Chi, Josh Barnett wants to do Savate, Evilyoshida wants to do Wing Chun or my grandma wants to do Yoga.

It's a different case for a young man who is starting Martial Arts because he's unfit or lacks confidence. He needs to be thrown into a competitive environment with aggressive alpha males, get over his discomforts and fears, take a few hits, and learn to survive. If he can go beyond just suffering it, push himself, learn to enjoy it and WIN in that environment, he'll forever be a changed man.

In my mind, this is the true value of Martial Arts.
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01-18-2018, 05:50 AM
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RE: Why have Martial Arts been so important in East Asian societies in particular?
I did wrestling first and then Wing Chun/BJJ later.

the conditioning from wrestling was first rate for sure
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01-18-2018, 01:52 PM
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(01-17-2018 06:02 PM)kungfool Wrote:  

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lmao. I wonder if he has a name for the first "submission" move in that vid. It's hard to believe that this dude isn't a troll, but then again frauds like him were very common in the 90s and early 00s. Robert "prince of leglocks" Ferguson, Tony "Spear system" Blauer, Matt Furey, Rafiel Torre, etc.

lmfao @ the ankle lock at 1:50
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01-18-2018, 06:38 PM
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RE: Why have Martial Arts been so important in East Asian societies in particular?
(01-16-2018 01:34 PM)kungfool Wrote:  Good question.
I'm sure the academic answer is Buddhism, but I don't really buy it.

As a teen, I was very interested in European MA traditions, but wherever you'd find practitioners, you'd essentially be finding LARPers.
No different from Paganism, once the chain of Priesthood is broken, there is no reviving it.

This is the first I've heard of LARPers. Thanks for that one Kungfool.
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01-19-2018, 05:36 AM
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RE: Why have Martial Arts been so important in East Asian societies in particular?
i've seen LARPing a lot .. i'm guessing it means Live action role playing
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01-19-2018, 05:39 AM
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RE: Why have Martial Arts been so important in East Asian societies in particular?
(01-18-2018 01:52 PM)CTsar Wrote:  
(01-17-2018 06:02 PM)kungfool Wrote:  

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lmao. I wonder if he has a name for the first "submission" move in that vid. It's hard to believe that this dude isn't a troll, but then again frauds like him were very common in the 90s and early 00s. Robert "prince of leglocks" Ferguson, Tony "Spear system" Blauer, Matt Furey, Rafiel Torre, etc.

lmfao @ the ankle lock at 1:50

wow @ that vid.

hahahahaha @ the CHIN LOCK.

all of these moves don't make any sense from a physics point of view

Those who know, know! Big Grin
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01-19-2018, 05:40 AM
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RE: Why have Martial Arts been so important in East Asian societies in particular?
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A notable match in 1914 was between two prime representatives of their respective crafts: the American catch wrestler Ad Santel was the World Light Heavyweight Champion in catch wrestling, while Tokugoro Ito, a 5th degree black belt in judo, claimed to be the World Judo Champion. Santel defeated Ito and proclaimed himself World Judo Champion.

The response from Jigoro Kano's Kodokan was swift and came in the form of another challenger, 4th degree black belt Daisuke Sakai. Santel, however, still defeated the Kodokan Judo representative. The Kodokan tried to stop the hooker by sending men like 5th degree black belt Reijiro Nagata (who Santel defeated by TKO). Santel also drew with 5th degree black belt Hikoo Shoji. The challenge matches stopped after Santel gave up on the claim of being the World Judo Champion in 1921 in order to pursue a career in full-time professional wrestling. Although Tokugoro Ito avenged his loss to Santel with a choke,[6] official Kodokan representatives proved unable to imitate Ito's success. Just as Ito was the only Japanese judoka to overcome Santel, Santel was ironically the only Western catch-wrestler on record as having a win over Ito, who also regularly challenged other grappling styles.
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01-19-2018, 01:46 PM (This post was last modified: 01-19-2018 01:47 PM by kungfool.)
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RE: Why have Martial Arts been so important in East Asian societies in particular?
(01-19-2018 05:36 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  i've seen LARPing a lot .. i'm guessing it means Live action role playing

I once went to a LARP once. A very obnoxious dorky co-worker who liked to invite us all over for board-games talked us into going. Unbelievable experience. LMAO the entire day.

Much funnier in-person than that shitty movie that came out a year later (Role Models?).
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01-19-2018, 02:03 PM
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RE: Why have Martial Arts been so important in East Asian societies in particular?
(01-19-2018 05:40 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  A notable match in 1914 was between two prime representatives of their respective crafts: the American catch wrestler Ad Santel was the World Light Heavyweight Champion in catch wrestling, while Tokugoro Ito, a 5th degree black belt in judo, claimed to be the World Judo Champion. Santel defeated Ito and proclaimed himself World Judo Champion.

The rivalry between Catch Wrestlers and Judoka is one of mutual respect. They saw eachother as equals and picked up techniques from one another. The Gracies were like the spiteful little brother.

There are some techniques that were unique to the East, and some that were unique to the West. For example, if you look back in European history, you will never find a single image of a Juji Gatame (Armbar), or Sankaku Jime (Triangle Choke). These were inventions of the Japanese mind. The Shoulder Lock (Kimura) and the Guillotine Choke were uniquely Western moves. There is a recognizable pattern here.

Even moves that are physiologically very similar seem to embody the culture and people that created them.

Seoi Nage was a staple of Judo, and taught to the American Wrestlers. Today it's known in Wrestling circles as a "Jap-Whizzer".
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The Fireman's Carry, was a staple of American Wrestling and taught to the Judoka. Today in Japan it's called 'Kata-Guruma'.
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