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01-14-2018, 08:56 AM
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Chinese Police Dynamite Christian Megachurch
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/world...amite.html
Quote:Global Times, a state newspaper, described the building’s destruction as part of a “citywide campaign to remove illegal buildings,” and quoted an unidentified official as saying that the church had been “secretly” constructed without proper permits and was initially disguised as a warehouse.

Members of the megachurch, however, have previously clashed with the authorities, including in 2009 when the police confiscated Bibles and imprisoned several of the congregation’s leaders.

On Tuesday, officers of the People’s Armed Police, a state paramilitary organization, detonated explosives in the church’s underground sanctuary and destroyed the rest of the building, according to ChinaAid, an American watchdog group that monitors religious freedom in China.

“The repeated persecution of Golden Lampstand Church demonstrates that the Chinese government has no respect for religious freedom or human rights,” said Bob Fu, the group’s founder.On Tuesday, officers of the People’s Armed Police, a state paramilitary organization, detonated explosives in the church’s underground sanctuary and destroyed the rest of the building, according to ChinaAid, an American watchdog group that monitors religious freedom in China.

“The repeated persecution of Golden Lampstand Church demonstrates that the Chinese government has no respect for religious freedom or human rights,” said Bob Fu, the group’s founder.

ChinaAid said that the building was built by the married evangelists Wang Xiaoguang and Yang Rongli with nearly $3 million in contributions from local Christians, but that it had never been registered with the authorities, a legal requirement.

Officially, Chinese citizens are free to practice the religion of their choice, but the government tightly controls spiritual life, and in some cases bans certain groups, like Falun Gong.

On Dec. 27, the authorities also demolished a Catholic church in Shaanxi Province, southwest of Shanxi Province, destroying an altar and confiscating vestments, according to ChinaAid.

More than 60 million Christians live in China, at least half of whom worship in unregistered churches.

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01-14-2018, 09:19 AM
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Sad. Communism doesn't seem to co-exist very well with true Christianity.

Couldn't that church get the permits after the fact or were they blocked there also?
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01-14-2018, 10:50 AM
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it's not just churches.

tons of small shops are being torn down all over China too now

they are tearing down and evicting all unlicensed establishments
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01-14-2018, 01:54 PM
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(01-14-2018 09:19 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  .
Sad. Communism doesn't seem to co-exist very well with true Christianity.

Couldn't that church get the permits after the fact or were they blocked there also?

I hate to break it to you, but you seem like a fool. True Christianity has nothing to do with a building that has a Cross on the outside of it.
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01-14-2018, 03:22 PM
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Tbh I don't begrudge them for stuff like this, Christianity is foreign culture and has the potential to cause a lot of societal division long term.
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01-14-2018, 05:05 PM
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yes. christianity is subversive in china
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01-14-2018, 11:50 PM
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(01-14-2018 01:54 PM)SometimesThe Heart of a Turtle Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 09:19 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  .
Sad. Communism doesn't seem to co-exist very well with true Christianity.

Couldn't that church get the permits after the fact or were they blocked there also?

I hate to break it to you, but you seem like a fool. True Christianity has nothing to do with a building that has a Cross on the outside of it.

Sounds like you are unaware of the spiritual realm and what is taking place around you.


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12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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01-15-2018, 12:30 AM (This post was last modified: 01-15-2018 12:33 AM by SometimesThe Heart of a Turtle.)
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yeah again, this goes way over your Bible thumping head. Were there people in the building? I am going to assume no. If I am wrong, then I take back what I said. So, I will go with the premise that nobody was hurt or killed with the demolishing of this building. A "true Christian" as you put it would continue on their spiritual journey without the need of a worldly good. If anything, it should make their resolve stronger.

Over here in the great USA Churches are tax except, which is a great mistake in my opinion. It goes against the separation of church and state laws. And let's be honest most of these churches are not exactly "not for profit entities". I also think fancy churches and mega churches take people away from spreading the gospel. It seems like people absolve themselves from actually making a meaningful difference because they feel good about themselves and they get to learn how to quote scripture.

I am certain I love Jesus. And over time, I have come to understand the difference between Man Seeking God and God Seeking Man. Since you love to bash scripture at everyone here, I'll just leave you with this.

God graciously justifies the ungodly sinner who does not work for salvation, but believes in Jesus Christ.
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01-15-2018, 12:56 AM
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Bash scripture? I shared one scripture to explain what I was saying.

You seem really hostile and angry about spiritual things and churches.

"I also think fancy churches and mega churches take people away from spreading the gospel."

If people did that more would you then accuse them of bashing scripture as they share the gospel?

Whether people were in the church or not they shouldn't have torn down their house of worship. They only weakened that congregation. This isn't the first time China has persecuted Christians. I've posted about it on here before.
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01-15-2018, 01:07 AM
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(01-15-2018 12:56 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  1. You seem really hostile and angry about spiritual things and churches.


2. If people did that more would you then accuse them of bashing scripture as they share the gospel?

1. Oh yeah, what hostility have I ever shown?

2. Let's see them do more then sit around and collect money, then I will get back to you on that.
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01-15-2018, 11:53 PM
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Todays commentary in a daily study I read addresses some of what I was saying.

Mighty Weapon
January 15, 2018

"For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds" (2 Cor. 10:4).

Although we have been made new creatures - created by God in Christ Jesus; and although we are transferred out from under Satan's authority, we still live in a world ruled by Satan.

The Bible calls Satan "the god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4) and "the prince of the power of the air" (Eph. 2:2). Christ also called him "the prince of this world" (John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11).

According to the Word of God, the very air about us is filled with hostile forces attempting to destroy our fellowship with God the Father, and to deprive us of our usefulness in the Master's service.

But our Father God, in His great provision and plan of redemption, has given us a weapon to use against Satan. That weapon is given to us not only for ourselves, but also for the benefit of the Satan-ruled men and women around us. That weapon is the Name of Jesus!

Confession: The weapons of my warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds. Where Satan's forces have built strongholds, I can pull them down with the mighty Name of Jesus. Satan is no match for that Name. And that Name is a mighty weapon given to me to use against the forces of the enemy.
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01-16-2018, 08:05 PM
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Seemed like China was lightening up on Christian persecution fora few decades there.
Seems things are ramping up again.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience."
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01-16-2018, 08:10 PM
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(01-14-2018 01:54 PM)SometimesThe Heart of a Turtle Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 09:19 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  .
Sad. Communism doesn't seem to co-exist very well with true Christianity.

Couldn't that church get the permits after the fact or were they blocked there also?

I hate to break it to you, but you seem like a fool. True Christianity has nothing to do with a building that has a Cross on the outside of it.


Although I agree with your sentiment throughout this thread,and many of your points, be careful with your words IF you're representing.

"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell."
-Jesus Christ

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01-17-2018, 08:05 AM (This post was last modified: 01-17-2018 08:07 AM by SometimesThe Heart of a Turtle.)
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(01-16-2018 08:10 PM)sparkuri Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 01:54 PM)SometimesThe Heart of a Turtle Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 09:19 AM)pilgrim Wrote:  .
Sad. Communism doesn't seem to co-exist very well with true Christianity.

Couldn't that church get the permits after the fact or were they blocked there also?

I hate to break it to you, but you seem like a fool. True Christianity has nothing to do with a building that has a Cross on the outside of it.


Although I agree with your sentiment throughout this thread,and many of your points, be careful with your words IF you're representing.

"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell."
-Jesus Christ


Spark, point taken brother. I appreciate you calling me out on that.


Pilgrim, I apologize. No hard feelings, I hope. Your contributions here are important. Since I can't take back what I typed, I hope you can accept this apology and keep moving forward.
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01-17-2018, 11:44 AM
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Don't sweat it, Turtle. No harm done.
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