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Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
01-07-2018, 12:53 PM
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Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
There are intellectuals who were interested in culture and respectful to other nationalities, but now spend a long time reading Breitbart and popping out claims that I would have been surprised at years ago like "Most Muslims marry their relatives" or "Islam teaches that Mohammed is God". Today after reading Breitbart, a close friend complained about Palestinian refugees getting UN funds, exclaiming "They live in cities! They aren't refugees", as if people exiled from their homeland don't live in foreign cities.

Quote:How "Breitbart" Destroyed Andrew Breitbart's Legacy

Politics is downstream of culture—and the website has shaped a culture on the populist right that has proved deeply corrosive.
Conor Friedersdorf Nov 14, 2017

On the populist right, the late Andrew Breitbart, a man regarded as an influential hero, is best remembered for these words: “Politics is downstream from culture.” Byron York wrote in the Washington Examiner that teaching that lesson was “by far the most important thing he did.” ...

Weekly Standard reacted to allegations that Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore preyed on teenage women while in his 30s by arguing that there are more important things in the world than electing one more Republican... At the same moment, Bannon dispatched two Breitbart staffers to Alabama to try to cast doubt on the woman who claimed she was groped by Moore when she was 14, and continued urging Alabama voters to send Moore to the United States Senate...
Andrew Breitbart may have said that “politics is downstream from culture.” He may have believed it. I have argued in the past that he did not practice what he preached. Others argued upon his death that the sites he created would be his legacy.

Whether Breitbart courted the alt-right and elevated these candidates for lucre, or political power, or to make the culture more bigoted and depraved, or to nihilistically destroy America as it exists under the delusion that it can then remake the nation it as it wishes, its influence has profoundly changed the GOP.

Breitbart’s influenced has helped to change the grassroots too, as Robert Jones argued in Time:

"In 2011 and again just ahead of the election, PRRI asked Americans whether a political leader who committed an immoral act in his or her private life could nonetheless behave ethically and fulfill their duties in their public life. Back in 2011, consistent with the “values voter” brand’s insistence on the importance of personal character, only 30 percent of white evangelical Protestants agreed with this statement. But this year, 72 percent of white evangelicals now say they believe a candidate can build a kind of moral wall between his private and public life. In a shocking reversal, white evangelicals have gone from being the least likely to the most likely group to agree that a candidate’s personal immorality has no bearing on his performance in public office. Today, in fact, they are more likely than Americans who claim no religious affiliation at all to say such a moral bifurcation is possible."

This about-face is stunning, especially against the backdrop of white evangelicals’ outrage in response to Bill Clinton’s indiscretions in the 1990s.

As Jonathan Merritt documented, Pat Robertson called Bill Clinton a “debauched, debased, and defamed” politician. But this year, Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting Network featured multiple friendly interviews with Trump—the candidate who bragged about sexually assaulting women and appeared on the cover of Playboy. And Robertson had this to say directly to Trump: “You inspire us all.” The Trump era has effectively turned white-evangelical political ethics on its head.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...cy/545807/

Wow, that is a major cultural reversal.
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01-07-2018, 04:00 PM
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RE: Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
Inbreeding is standard practice in much of the Muslim world, that's a totally factual claim it's just incendiary.

The inbreeding in Arab and South Asian societies in particular has had huge public health ramifications.
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01-07-2018, 05:47 PM
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RE: Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
I think that Trump himself debased a lot of his base when he flip-flopped on some of his core promises and bowed to the neocons on foreign policy soon after being sworn in.

Breitbart seems no different to CNN or Fox in that it manipulates the information to suit it's own agenda, I have to wonder how harmful hit pieces are if there is no evidence to support them. CNN has been running hit pieces on the Trump admin since day one but it hasn't gotten them any where because they can't back any of their claims up.
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01-08-2018, 04:17 AM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2018 04:29 AM by Rako.)
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RE: Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
(01-07-2018 04:00 PM)Shahanshah Wrote:  Inbreeding is standard practice in much of the Muslim world, that's a totally factual claim it's just incendiary.

The inbreeding in Arab and South Asian societies in particular has had huge public health ramifications.
I think you said you have Iranian relatives? If so, you could probably know whether it's true most of them marry close relatives like cousins. I have major criticisms of Muslim societies. But Breitbart promotes exaggerations and tropes to fuel US conflict because of his agenda. It's far easier to get a public to support war when it dehumanized an alleged adversary.
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01-08-2018, 04:59 AM
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RE: Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
(01-08-2018 04:17 AM)Rako Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 04:00 PM)Shahanshah Wrote:  Inbreeding is standard practice in much of the Muslim world, that's a totally factual claim it's just incendiary.

The inbreeding in Arab and South Asian societies in particular has had huge public health ramifications.
I think you said you have Iranian relatives? If so, you could probably know whether it's true most of them marry close relatives like cousins. I have major criticisms of Muslim societies. But Breitbart promotes exaggerations and tropes to fuel US conflict because of his agenda. It's far easier to get a public to support war when it dehumanized an alleged adversary.

LOL! What kind of response is this?

I stated a total undeniable fact, that I can back up with a dozen citations, and your response is "Don't you have some Iranian ancestry, my guy?"

First of all, even if Iran was the most inbred country in the world, that wouldn't change the factual nature of what I said, even if I was personally inbred, reality would still be reality. My grandfather was Ossetian and came to Canada before Trudeau Sr.

Iran/Turkey/Lebanon are some of the Muslim countries where it is a lot less prominent in comparison to Saudi/Pakistan etc, but it still happens even in those countries among members of the lower class, saying that "most people in the Muslim world marry family members" in general is an accurate statement.

And again - this is incendiary, but it's not even really disputed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_mar...iddle_East

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/c...ldren.html

Do you people not see how ridiculous you are when you get defensive and personal over a fact that is wildly accepted and recognized as a problem even by Muslims themselves?

Like lol.
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01-08-2018, 05:03 AM
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RE: Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
Islam was started by an illiterate slave trading pedophile warlord, the first collective act of Islam after the death of that pedophile was the invasion and destruction of Persia, the first Muslim caliph was assassinated for keeping child slaves by a Persian named Piruz Nahavandi.

The entire history of Islam is that of conquest and expansion, based on religious and often Arab tribal supremacism, whether you are a black African, an Indian, a white European, your ancestors had to fight off unprovoked Muslim invasions.

^ These aren't claims, these are facts - incendiary facts, but facts, readily available on mainstream sources like wikipedia.

So while I can totally understand well meaning leftists being concerned about unrestrained tribal violence, or people being shamed for things they can't control like their genetic ancestry etc.

Anyone defending Islam and the organized Muslim community is both ignorant and immoral.
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01-08-2018, 10:51 AM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2018 10:53 AM by pilgrim.)
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RE: Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
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It's happening in the UK also.

"More than half of British Pakistanis marry their first cousin."



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01-08-2018, 12:30 PM
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RE: Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
Quote:Thus, according to the majority of Muslim jurists—with the exception of the Hanafis—you are generally permitted to marry your cousin if the case is that his mom has breastfed you less than 5 times.
As for the issue of marrying cousins, we can say that originally Islam permits marrying cousins, although it is preferable to choose a marriage partner from outside one’s family. This is because Islam is generally keen to widen the circle of social bonds.
http://aboutislam.net/counseling/ask-abo...y-cousins/

Quote:Hanbali and Shafi interpretations of Islamic jurisprudence teach that it is better not to marry close kin. That it is disliked.

...the Shafi madhab teaches that it's disliked and S E Asian Muslims (the majority of whom follow the Shafi Madhab) overwhelmingly don't practice cousin marriage. On the other hand the Hanbali madhab also teaches that it's disliked, and yet a lot of them do still practice it.
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/first-...695/page-9
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01-11-2018, 10:30 AM
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RE: Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
Quote:Steve Bannon’s mysterious life after Andrew Breitbart’s death

2012 brought Steven Bannon the death of his best friend and the reelection of President Obama; a paranoia crept into the Bannon’s private life. Detailed here is related information to the movements of Bannon after 2012. Multiple addresses and a digital trail that mounts up to life always on the move. Neighbors & landlords recall empty residences and no sign that Bannon had been on premises.

His responsibilities increased within Breitbart News after the death of Andrew Breitbart. The income listed for “Executive Chairman” is $750,000 a year. The extra cash flow enabled Bannon to keep security measures to a maximum and live a secret life while conducting his business ventures. He has stated to WND News on more than one occasion: “He died of natural causes,” Bannon said. “The family wants the matter put to rest, and WND is beginning to irritate me suspecting foul play.”
https://projectastral.net/2017/03/31/ste...rts-death/

Quote:During his political rise, Stephen K. Bannon was a man with no fixed address
By Robert O'Harrow Jr. and Shawn Boburg March 11, 2017

The issue of Bannon’s legal residency has been simmering since last summer, shortly after he became chief executive of Trump’s campaign. The Guardian reported in an Aug. 26 story that he was registered to vote at a then-vacant house and speculated that Bannon may have signed an oath that he was a Florida resident to take advantage of the state’s lack of state income taxes.
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In the digital age, when most Americans leave a clear footprint of their whereabouts, Bannon left a meandering trail filled with ambiguity, contradictions and questions. The Post found that Bannon left a negligible footprint in Florida. He did not get a Florida driver’s license or register a car in the state. He never voted in Florida, and neighbors near two homes he leased in Miami said they never saw him. His rent and utility bills were sent to his business manager in California.
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He stated on the [lease] application that he earned $750,000 a year as chairman of Breitbart News Network, a figure that has not been previously reported. He also earned $270,000 as executive chairman of Arc Entertainment, a film distribution company based in Santa Monica, Calif.

In addition, Bannon received about $100,000 in salary that year as part-time chairman of the Government Accountability Institute, a new nonprofit charity in Tallahassee, according to filings with the Internal Revenue Service.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investiga...a#comments
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01-11-2018, 10:39 AM
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RE: Has Breitbart debased Trump's political voting base?
How would you answer the question in bold:
Quote:[Image: Marantz-Steve-Bannon-Without-Breitbart.jpg]
Who Is Steve Bannon Without Breitbart?
By Andrew Marantz

Breitbart’s unexpected death created a power vacuum at the Web site he founded. Steve Bannon, a formerly obscure Tea Party propagandist, became Breitbart News’s executive chairman. But was Bannon the rightful inheritor of Andrew Breitbart’s legacy? Apart from aggression, what was Breitbart’s legacy, exactly?
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[Bannon] has likened himself to Lenin, Dick Cheney, Darth Vader, and Satan.
...
In “Fire and Fury,” the new book by Michael Wolff, Bannon is quoted as saying that the Trump campaign attempted to collude with representatives of the Russian government; that Donald Trump, Jr., must have escorted those representatives to meet with his father; and that these actions were “treasonous” and “unpatriotic.” ... But, last Wednesday, shortly after Bannon’s comments were reported in the press, the President turned on him, quickly and viciously, saying in a statement that his former adviser had “lost his mind.” Donald Trump, Jr., tweeted, “Andrew Breitbart would be ashamed of the division and lies Steve Bannon is spreading!”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk...-breitbart
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