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Did Egyptians make contact with ancient Mexico?
12-28-2017, 08:31 AM
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Did Egyptians make contact with ancient Mexico?
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Thor Heyerdahl's route using ancient-style rafts

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The Olmecs' territory (they flourished between 2500 BCE and 400 BCE)

Quote:Ivan Van Sertima (1935-2009), a Guyanese-born associate professor of Africana Studies at Rutgers University in the United States and the foremost authority on the African presence in ancient America, [claimed]:

“A study of the Olmec civilization reveals elements that so closely parallel ritual traits and techniques in the Egypto-Nubian world of the same period that it is difficult to maintain [that] all these are due to mere coincidence.”
http://www.ancientpages.com/2015/02/19/t...a-mystery/

Prof. Sertima was relying on circumstantial evidence.

Quote:A clear indicator of pre-Columbus African trans-Atlantic travel is the recent archeological findings of narcotics native to America in Ancient Egyptian mummies, which have astounded contemporary historians. German toxicologist, Svetla Balabanova, reported findings of cocaine and nicotine in ancient Egyptian mummies. These substances are known to only be derived from American plants. South American cocaine from Erythroxylon coca and nicotine from Nicotiana tabacum. Such compounds could only have been introduced to Ancient Egyptian culture through trade with Americans.
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Professor Everett Borders notes another very important indication of African presence, which is the nature of early American pyramids. Pyramid construction is highly specialized. Ancient Egypt progressed from the original stepped pyramid of Djosser, to the more sophisticated finished product at Giza. However, at La Venta in Mexico, the Olmecs made a fully finished pyramid, with no signs of progressive learning. Olmecian and Egyptian pyramids were both placed on the same north-south axis and had strikingly similar construction methods. Tellingly, all of these pyramids also served the same dual purpose, tomb and temple.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/10/13/...o-america/

See also:
Fair Gods and Feathered Serpents: A Search for Ancient America's Bearded White God
Terry J. O'Brien, Cedar Fort, Jan 1, 1997

Cross-Culturality:
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/crossculturality.htm
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12-28-2017, 09:31 AM
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RE: Did Egyptians make contact with ancient Mexico?
There was a 1 world government/religion IMO...
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12-28-2017, 10:02 AM
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RE: Did Egyptians make contact with ancient Mexico?
Not only is there evidence of the two regions trading with one another, the technology and symbolism was very similar.

An Egyptian boat looks much the same as a Central or South American boat, and Pyramids, Statues, Architecture etc also appears to have had the same influences.

The Aztecs, Incas and Mayans all talk about Quetzalcoatl, the white man who came and taught them about science and technology.

Graham Hancock covers this theme in much of his work.
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12-28-2017, 02:49 PM
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RE: Did Egyptians make contact with ancient Mexico?
The Egyptians developed as a full blown civilization in 3000-300 BC, but were then overtaken by the Greeks who conquered them. Peru was a major civilization in 3000 BC and later, while the Olmecs were a major civilization in 2000-400 BC. One could think that the Egyptians visited Peru or the Olmecs in about 2000-1500 BC and gave major assistance to their cultures. But due to the direction of ocean flows, those Egyptians who arrived did not return to Egypt.
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12-28-2017, 05:42 PM
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RE: Did Egyptians make contact with ancient Mexico?
(12-28-2017 02:49 PM)Rako Wrote:  The Egyptians developed as a full blown civilization in 3000-300 BC, but were then overtaken by the Greeks who conquered them. Peru was a major civilization in 3000 BC and later, while the Olmecs were a major civilization in 2000-400 BC. One could think that the Egyptians visited Peru or the Olmecs in about 2000-1500 BC and gave major assistance to their cultures. But due to the direction of ocean flows, those Egyptians who arrived did not return to Egypt.



It's also possible that the American civilizations are older than what the current experts speculate. That men in ships left a sinking continent in search of primitive cultures that they could educate. Maybe they found Mesopotamia, Egypt and The Americas. Perhaps the man, or the men, that are known as Quetzalcoatl, were from an Atlantean type of advanced civilisation.

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12-29-2017, 02:17 AM
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RE: Did Egyptians make contact with ancient Mexico?
(12-28-2017 05:42 PM)Redneck Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 02:49 PM)Rako Wrote:  The Egyptians developed as a full blown civilization in 3000-300 BC, but were then overtaken by the Greeks who conquered them. Peru was a major civilization in 3000 BC and later, while the Olmecs were a major civilization in 2000-400 BC. One could think that the Egyptians visited Peru or the Olmecs in about 2000-1500 BC and gave major assistance to their cultures. But due to the direction of ocean flows, those Egyptians who arrived did not return to Egypt.

It's also possible that the American civilizations are older than what the current experts speculate. That men in ships left a sinking continent in search of primitive cultures that they could educate. Maybe they found Mesopotamia, Egypt and The Americas. Perhaps the man, or the men, that are known as Quetzalcoatl, were from an Atlantean type of advanced civilisation.

Archeology shows the forerunners of the Olmecs going back into 6000-5000 BC with farming, villages, chocolate production, and some of the same kinds of art and statues. A Quetzalcoatl figure would need to arrive in about 2500-1500 BC to help develop the Olmec civilization.

The Peruvian civilization was impressive with brick or stone cities and giant frescoes already in 3000 BC, so this figure would need to have arrived in 3000-2500 BC in Peru. Sumer and Egypt were literate and impressive already in 3000 BC, with the Giza pyramids and others built in 3000-2500 BC. An advanced technologist would be expected to come to these civilizations in about 3000 BC, I think. The Old World was more impressive technologically in 3000-2000 BC, I think.

The most likely explanation for cross contact between the two sets of civilizations would seem to me to be Chinese coming to the Americas from the Pacific. They both had pyramids and we find East Asian DNA in the Americas, along with jade. Pyramids and mound building are in both cultures. And pre-European era Japanese boats have been found on the west coast of the Americas. Besides the Chinese, I could imagine that some groups came across the Atlantic like the Egyptians.

In the myth of Atlantis, the Greek writer Plato said that the mountains of Atlantis were still visible above the sea. So I could take that to refer to the Azores or Canaries. But geographically, those islands are volcano peaks, lacking a submerged island base. So it appears that the story of Atlantis is a myth.
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12-29-2017, 03:13 AM
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Heyerdahl's voyage took him two months. I think it's not so impossible with the right skills to go from Africa to the Caribbean. In thousands of years from say 5000 to 100 BC, it seems likely that someone completed the journey in one direction.

The problem is a combination of the journey's difficulty combined with little direct evidence.
As I remember it, the legend was that the technology-giving figure came from the southwest (ie the Pacific or South America).
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12-29-2017, 04:04 AM
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Logistically, the Phoenicians look like the best candidate for pre-Roman explorers reaching the Americas, because they reached the Canary islands.

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But their civilization was not impressive with pyramids like Egypt's was.
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12-29-2017, 04:16 AM
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The Azores are interesting because they are further west than the Canaries.

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Quote:The Cyrenaic and Carthaginian coins of Corvo:

'The 'Corvo Coins' refers to a hoard of coins dating to approximately 200 BCE that were reportedly left in the Azores by Carthaginians and discovered in 1749 on the island of Corvo. The only source of information about the find is a report published in 1778 in 'Det Götheborgska Wetenskaps och Witterhets Samhallets Handlinger', now known as the Publications of the Royal Society of Sciences and Letters in Gothenburg, by Johan Frans Podolyn, a Portuguese-born Swede. According to Podolyn, in 1761 he met in Madrid the historian and numismatist Enrique Flórez who gave him 9 coins from Carthage (2 gold and 5 bronze) and 2 from Cyrene (bronze), which Flores said were from a hoard discovered in 1749 in a black pot or vase after being washed out of the foundations of a building by a storm' (3)

Cart-ruts on the Azores:


The presence of cart-ruts on the Azores is one of the most unexpected facts to present itself in the search for the first settlers on the Azores. These enigmatic features are found in large numbers around the Mediterranean basin, in Italy, Portugal, France, and most famously on Malta. The Portuguese cart-ruts are pre-Christian, as are those on Malta.

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Cart-ruts on Terceira, Azores

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Megalithic construction on Terceira. (Azores)

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Rock-cut Hypogea on Mont Brazil, Terceira.
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/portoazores.htm
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12-29-2017, 12:09 PM
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RE: Did Egyptians make contact with ancient Mexico?
3000-4000 BC is consistent with mainstream calculations made for the timing of the great flood which could have caused the destruction of an advanced society, however all of the time lines may have been brought forward and shortened. 10,500 BC is around the time that the great Pyramids were built, and Gobekli Tepe is older still.



(12-29-2017 02:17 AM)Rako Wrote:  In the myth of Atlantis, the Greek writer Plato said that the mountains of Atlantis were still visible above the sea. So I could take that to refer to the Azores or Canaries. But geographically, those islands are volcano peaks, lacking a submerged island base. So it appears that the story of Atlantis is a myth.


Only if we use your assumption that he was referring to the Azores or Canaries, and not some Islands that have long since become submerged.

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12-29-2017, 12:17 PM
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Hancock's 'Quest For the Lost Civilisation' covers the ideas that I've mentioned.

He feels that there was once an advanced culture that almost perished from the Earth during a deluge type event.

Atlantis could well be a myth, or a metaphor for the pre-deluvian world. There was also said to be a place called Lemuria.

Some of the relics that we see from Egypt and other ancient cultures could also pre-date the deluge, the Sphinx for example is believed by some experts to be much older than the Pyramids.

This is Hancock's documentary, it's very interesting regardless of whether you subscribe to the theory or not.




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12-29-2017, 12:28 PM
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The coincidences between the olmecs and Peruvians on one hand and Egyptians or Chinese on the other are impressive. It could show contact, synchronicity, or natural stages if human development.
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12-29-2017, 12:42 PM
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(12-29-2017 12:28 PM)Rako Wrote:  The coincidences between the olmecs and Peruvians on one hand and Egyptians or Chinese on the other are impressive. It could show contact, synchronicity, or natural stages if human development.


We are really just grasping at straws when trying to figure out what was happening in those times. Part of the problem is that we rely on mainstream history and science to give us dates and timelines, and then we try to fit everything into that timeline. The problem with doing that is that there appears to be an agenda to suppress the real timeline of civilisation and to make us believe that we wandered out of the caves only a few thousand years ago and instantly knew about the stars, construction, agriculture, literacy, etc.

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12-29-2017, 02:10 PM
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Did Egyptians make contact with ancient Mexico?

Yes, as did the Romans & Phoenicians.

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12-29-2017, 02:12 PM
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The most novel that we can solidly prove I think is the massive Polynesian contact.
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