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Some history and breakdown of traditional Muay Thai
02-01-2019, 01:58 PM
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RE: Some history and breakdown of traditional Muay Thai
Thais are pretty complete standup fighters

the only weakness I see is that they are quite slow to get into the groove and they can get blitzed at times by a spazzing opponent

Kyokushin is also good, but overall I think Thai boxing is the ultimate standup art
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02-01-2019, 02:05 PM
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RE: Some history and breakdown of traditional Muay Thai
^ that strategy worked for Tenshin against Wanchalong

but i'm guessing it usually doesn't work
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02-01-2019, 02:10 PM
Post: #48
RE: Some history and breakdown of traditional Muay Thai
brand new buakaw fight

seriously folks. honest question. what sauce is he on?



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02-01-2019, 02:32 PM
Post: #49
RE: Some history and breakdown of traditional Muay Thai
pissed off buakaw

classic fight. classic beatdown

Kohi's soul left him after this fight



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02-01-2019, 02:46 PM
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dutch boxing defeats muay thai



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02-01-2019, 09:58 PM
Post: #51
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Quote:Kohi's soul left him after this fight

Lol

I remember this fight watching it as it happened. Buakaw was such a savage back then. But i gotta say the asian fighters back then (and now i guess) where well known for there heart and fighting spirit.

I remember matches from Mushashi who absolutely got killed round after round but never gave up

True Warrior/Samurai spirit they don't teach you in a MMA gym

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02-01-2019, 11:15 PM
Post: #52
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yeah Kohi was the K1 max japan champ at the time. no slouch

but Buakaw was ridiculous

i can't believe Masato beat him

K1 had corrupt judging and refs
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02-01-2019, 11:20 PM
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most corrupt judging ever



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02-01-2019, 11:24 PM
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02-02-2019, 04:39 AM
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RE: Some history and breakdown of traditional Muay Thai
(02-01-2019 01:58 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  the only weakness I see is that they are quite slow to get into the groove and they can get blitzed at times by a spazzing opponent

This is true. They can often underestimate the hand power of non-Thais, and the long outstretched arms are sometimes a disaster against looping power-shots like lead-hooks or overhands.

Some will just go with punches to the head, the same way Wrestle-Boxers just eat leg-kicks. You can see that in the Baukaw vid I posted on page 2, but Baukaw just accepts that he's going to take a series of concussive shots, holds his composure, and reclaims the ground.
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02-02-2019, 04:45 AM
Post: #56
RE: Some history and breakdown of traditional Muay Thai
yeah and Kiatsongrit famously got his jaw broken by Rick Roufus in the 1st round.. only to come back to destroy him

but he could have been KOed

https://youtu.be/7ia35g8wWfk

They always start off slow.. even when they know the western fighters will BLITZ
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02-02-2019, 05:42 AM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2019 05:43 AM by Glimmer.)
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Some history and breakdown of traditional Muay Thai
(02-01-2019 11:20 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  most corrupt judging ever





Yeah he got robbed but Masato was also the real deal though

Buakaw, Zambidi, Sauer, Masato, Petrosyan and Kraus

These where the elite of the elite in the K1 Max

Check out this fight. Absolutely insane in terms of speed, technique and visciousnes

Albert Kraus vs Andy Souwer 2








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02-02-2019, 01:00 PM (This post was last modified: 02-05-2019 11:05 AM by rezin.)
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RE: Some history and breakdown of traditional Muay Thai
(02-01-2019 02:10 PM)pug-thug Wrote:  brand new buakaw fight
seriously folks. honest question. what sauce is he on?

He may be on something but with his build it might not be necessary. His training seems to be mainly bodybuilding to look impressive on posters, cause that's what he's selling now and not impressive ring performance. He looks muscle heavy, slow and not particularly powerful. I don't watch his new fights at all. For me Buakaw Por Pramuk and Buakaw Banchamek are two different people.

As for K1 judging and the Masato fights, I think this is the reason Masato has a victory over Buakaw. Imagine the psychological aspect of kicking Masato around like a sack of potatoes for 3 rounds and having that declared a draw. Now compare Buakaw getting knocked down by Andre Dida (a legit knockdown) and by Masato in their second fight (not exactly legit considering buakaw was off balance). In the Dida fight Buakaw sticks to his game and gets a draw after 3 rounds. In the second Masato fight he goes head hunting because the only way he will get a draw after 3 rounds, is if he ko's Masato, so he doesn't follow his game plan and legit loses instead of losing a bs decision.

As for his physical superiority, well he was physically superior, even though he was underweight for his class. He was 152 pounds where in some cases Andy Souwer was as high as 172 (Souwer did say that that was too high for him and that his optimal was more like 167).

He had superior speed and stamina though his power lacked at times.

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04-09-2020, 08:49 PM
Post: #59
RE: Some history and breakdown of traditional Muay Thai
Lethwei

Lethwei is known as the Art of the Nine Limbs - it’s an ancient, violent and bloody full-contact combat sport where knockouts are the key to success





Lethwei vs. Muay Thai: Similarities and Differences


Muay Thai is one of the most well-known style of martial arts to come out of Southeast Asia. However, another full-contact combat sport named Lethwei rivals and may even be more deadly than Muay Thai. MMA Life has previously published an article titled “The Burmese Martial Art of Lethwei” that gives a short but detailed overview of Lethwei. The following content compares the two brutal combat sports of Muay Thai and Lethwei, and also evaluates how well their training regimen and technique transfer to MMA.

Stance and Striking Techniques
Lethwei is also known as Burmese bareknuckle boxing and was developed before Muay Thai. Lethwei is believed to be created over a 1000 years ago in Burma. Muay Thai and Lethwei focuses on the stand-up aspect of hand-to-hand combat. Watching these two sports you will see great similarities in their stance and striking techniques. The video below illustrates how fighters from these two martials arts use a square stance and a marching rhythm. In addition to the stance and movement, these fighters tend to distribute most of their weight towards the back leg so they can be light on their front leg. The purpose of this weight distribution is the ability to quickly react with the front leg to check kicks or to perform techniques like push kicks.

In this video, a Lethwei fighter is pitted against a Muay Thai fighter. Watch the similarity in their poses as they are getting ready to launch their attack.




The martial art of Muay Thai is known as the “art of the 8 limbs” due to its striking techniques consisting of punches, elbows, kicks and knees. However, Lethwei expands on this by including those previously mentioned techniques as well as allowing their practitioners to strike with their head, therefore giving Lethwei the name of the art of the 9 limbs. The inclusion of headbutts provides a realistic component and devastating tool that would be useful in a street fight where rules and restrictions do not exist. An example of how effective a headbutt can be in a competition scenario is shown below.

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Lethwei fighters commonly set up their headbutt attacks with punching combinations as they shorten the distance between themselves and the opponent. The video shows that a Lethwei fighter can also do massive damage to their opponent by launching forward with a headbutt.

Another element that makes Lethwei the more violent combat sport is their lack of hand protection. Currently, Lethwei competitors wear the same gear as Muay Thai practitioners, except their hand protection only consists of gauze wrap and tape. They do not wear any gloves that is commonly seen in international boxing and kickboxing events. The images below compare the attire and equipment worn by these two respective martial arts.



The image on the left is a Lethwei fighter and the right is the famous Muay Thai fighter Buakaw. Without the use of padded gloves, the chance of breaking your hand is much greater in Lethwei as well as getting cuts from punches.
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Clinching techniques are allowed in both combat sports, but referees will break up the two fighters if there is any inactivity. Referees for Lethwei matches seem to have a lower tolerance for clinching action and are much quicker to separate the fighters compared to the ones in Muay Thai. Of course, whenever either fighter hits the ground, the referee will immediately reset the fighters’ position. In clinching situations, the fighters can throw devastating elbows, knees and in Lethwei’s case headbutts. The clinch also provides a powerful tool in disrupting the opponent’s movements and taking them down. These martial artists can also catch kicks and use it to counter their opponent.

Lethwei Rules
In an attempt to grow Lethwei globally, Lethwei organizations changed some of its traditional roots to meet what is commonly seen in the international combat sport scene, such as stricter rules and replacing sandpits with a boxing ring. Previously, Lethwei matches lasted until only one fighter was left standing. Now, Lethwei has 5 3-minute rounds like Muay Thai. While Muay Thai uses a point system for scoring the fights, Lethwei has their own unique and more “primitive” rule to win. Lethwei fighters have to knockout their opponent or cause them to withdraw from the match due to an injury within the 5 rounds time frame. Otherwise, the match ends in a draw.

Muay Thai’s scoring system weighs kicks more than punches, so this type of attack is heavily favored in their matches. Due to Lethwei lack of a scoring system, their fighters tend to incorporate punches more in their striking combinations. Lethwei also has an injury timeout component that does not exist in Muay Thai. This injury timeout rule lets the cornermen revive their fighter that otherwise would not be able to continue in a standard Muay Thai fight. Due to this injury timeout as well as Lethwei’s rules to win and the fighters not wanting to receive a draw result, Lethwei fights can be more aggressive, bloody and reckless compared to Muay Thai. In addition to that, Muay Thai competitors tend to use the first round to feel out their opponent and ease up in the fifth round as well. Lethwei fighters cannot do the same because their rules and culture discourage any attempt to not be aggressive. Otherwise, they can be punish with a humiliating decision by the referee to stop the fight due to lack of aggression by both fighters.

Transition to MMA
Muay Thai techniques have been effectively implemented in MMA by high caliber fighters like Donald Cerrone and UFC champion Joanna Jedrzejczyk. A large portion of Muay Thai’s arsenal translate well to MMA. The one big advantage Lethwei has over Muay Thai in relation to MMA is how Lethwei fighters are used to fighting without thick boxing gloves. Those who have done MMA sparring knows the big difference going from sparring with boxing gloves to punching with MMA gloves. Unlike boxing, MMA gloves have less padding to hide behind. Therefore, it requires more movement and structurally sound defense. Those aspiring to compete in MMA will have to break the habit of hiding behind thick boxing gloves, since it is no longer a viable option in actual MMA combat. Therefore, a Muay Thai practitioner transitioning to MMA must adjust their striking defense to adapt for this while Lethwei fighters are already used to it.



Two fighters that have successfully translated their Muay Thai techniques to MMA.
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The negative aspect of a Lethwei fighter transitioning to MMA is that their time dedicated to headbutt strikes could have been used to sharpen other striking techniques that are legal in MMA. Furthermore, their aggressive and reckless fighting style can cause them to be out of position and more exposed to being taken down. While the martial arts of Muay Thai have gained prominence in MMA, we have to wait and see what the future holds for Lethwei.
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