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06-11-2017, 07:17 AM
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Hmmmm. As a Christian I have no desire to go to China. EY, what's up with the Chinese government's hate toward churches? Talk about a police state!

CHINESE police destroyed a church after dragging worshippers out of the building and beating them in the street.
By Katie Mansfield
PUBLISHED: 10:01, Sat, Jun 10, 2017

Violence broke out in Shanggiu in Henan province after 300 police officers and officials demolished the Shuangmiao Christian Church—which was under construction.

Officers dragged out around 40 Christians with one worshipper comparing the brutal scenes to the Japanese invasion of China during the Second World War, according to charity China Aid.

Eight Christians remain in custody following the incident amid a crackdown on churches by the communist regime.

China Aid said: “During the demolition, officials beat dozens of church members, pushing them to the ground and twisting their hands.

“The church was completely razed, and a church member likened the scene to the Japanese invasion of China during World War II.

“Of the 40 Christians seized, eight are still in custody, and the cases of Shuangmiao Christian Church pastor Zhang Di and the church’s vice director, Lü Yuexia, were recently transferred to the Procuratorate, which will decide whether or not to formalise their arrest.”

The Supreme People's Procuratorate is the highest agency in China responsible for prosecutions.

According to churchgoers Xi Jinping’s Communist Party ordered the church to be destroyed after branding the building an “illegal structure”.

Party officials were sent to the church to search the building and belongings of people on site.

China Aid said the party confiscated phones and other personal property, damaged closets, smashed offering boxes, and stole laptops, money, and jewellery.

The demolition came as row between the church and government escalated over allegations the church refused to pay a £450 arbitrary road usage fee.

Pastor Zhang Di was summoned for questioning last month and accused of assaulting police officers and attacking a village official.

Church leaders are urging the government to release the pastor and churchgoers. They are also calling for police linked to the investigation to be punished.

The Chinese Communist Party has launched a major crackdown on religion in recent months in an attempt to oppress religious freedom and exercise control.

Churches not sanctioned by the government have been put under surveillance with hundreds of Christians arrested for disturbing public order for offences such as holding bible study groups and displaying crucifixes outside their homes.

There have been reports of Christians being banned from praying, singing hymns, crosses removed from buildings and people arrested for attending church services.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/8146...miao-henan
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06-11-2017, 12:40 PM
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This is horrible. Very disturbing.
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06-11-2017, 01:30 PM
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China is scared of the Church but not without reason. many of them double up as intel centers.

mormon missionaries esp. are often CIA agents in China.

they use them as a base of operations in an attempt to foment unrest and discord

the problem is often times they do not distinguish between the CIA churches and the legit ones that want to worship jesus
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06-11-2017, 02:19 PM
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(06-11-2017 01:30 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  China is scared of the Church but not without reason. many of them double up as intel centers.

mormon missionaries esp. are often CIA agents in China.

they use them as a base of operations in an attempt to foment unrest and discord

the problem is often times they do not distinguish between the CIA churches and the legit ones that want to worship jesus

It's hard to miss that these sound like they're US fundamentalist denominations. kind of an important detail.
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06-11-2017, 02:38 PM
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yeah they're not cracking down on the Catholic Church, it's more the protestant churches that often double up as intel agencies.

i actually talked with a state dept guy a few months ago and he told me most of the mormons in China are CIA field agents
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06-11-2017, 04:30 PM
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(06-11-2017 02:38 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  yeah they're not cracking down on the Catholic Church, it's more the protestant churches that often double up as intel agencies.

i actually talked with a state dept guy a few months ago and he told me most of the mormons in China are CIA field agents

I encountered a couple of American Mormons up here last summer. I didn't really want to talk but they kind of insisted and once I got wound up they received a terrible harangue on the Christian genocide in the Middle East and a denunciation of the American sects and they were practically running down the sidewalk to get away from me. I guess I was having one of those days and those poor Mormon missionaries caught the brunt of it. They resembled 1950s FBI agents to me.

I have no idea where they get those retro conservative clothes from but they could easily be taken for intelligence agents.
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06-11-2017, 05:09 PM
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they don't drink smoke or cheat on their wives for the most part so they are hard to corrupt for the other side.

i have met mormon missionaries in China.. they don't drink but are always hanging out at bars trying to "meet" people
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06-11-2017, 05:34 PM (This post was last modified: 06-11-2017 05:36 PM by pilgrim.)
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What Actual Religious Persecution Looks Like — In China

Americans have been arguing for months over issues of religious liberty, with lawmakers and pundits locked in fierce debates over whether or not laws prohibiting discrimination against LGBT people and legalizing same-sex marriage constitute a “war on religion.”

But on the other side of the world in China’s Zhejiang province, a fight over religious freedom is far less abstract. Earlier this week, the provincial government of Zhejiang made public a new draft proposal calling for the removal of crosses from the tops of churches and outlining a rigid policy that would greatly restrict their display. According to the New York Times, the regulations will reduce the Christian symbol to obscurity, mandating that they only be installed on the side — not the top — of structures, be a color that blends into their surroundings, and extend no more than one-tenth the height of the building’s facade.

Carsten Vala, research fellow at Purdue University’s Center on Religion and Chinese Society, told ThinkProgress that the policy appears to be the latest move in a sustained effort by local officials to reduce the visibility and influence of Christianity in Zhejiang, whose unusually large Christian presence — roughly 10 percent of the local population — has earned the city the nickname “China’s Jerusalem.” Despite heated protests, the government has forcibly removed the crosses from several churches in the province over the past year, and even tore down the 180-foot spire of state-sponsored Sanjiang Church in Wenzhou, China last May.

“We thought the storm of toppling crosses had stopped,” one pastor from Wenzhou told the Times, “but it hasn’t.”

But while Vala stressed that the situation in Zhejiang is somewhat localized, he acknowledged that it is also part of a long history of anti-religious sentiment on the part of the Chinese government.

“The larger context here is the agenda of the Chinese Communist Party to limit the public influence of Christianity,” he said.

Indeed, the news comes just two weeks after the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom unveiled its 2015 report, which listed China alongside 16 other nations as a “country of particular concern” for inhibiting the religious expression of its citizens. The report detailed various restrictions Chinese authorities have placed on Christians, Uighur Muslims, Tibetan Buddhists, and other faith groups, noting that “people of faith continue to face arrests, fines, denials of justice, lengthy prison sentences, and in some cases, the closing or bulldozing of places of worship.” Zhejiang’s cross policy also follows the recent jailing of a local pastor, Huang Yizi, who spoke out against the removal of crosses and blasted the government for beating more than 50 parishioners who gathered outside his church to stop officials from taking down a cross. Yizi was sentenced to one year in jail for his activism.

This antagonistic approach to religion emanates from the ideology of the ruling Chinese Communist Party, which is officially atheist and bans openly religious individuals from joining its ranks. The government formally recognizes five religious groups in the country, but they have maintained tight-fisted control over their affairs: authorities only allow state-sanctioned versions of religion to worship freely, national committees hand-appoint all bishops of the Chinese Catholic Church instead of the Vatican, and last year the State Administration for Religious Affairs announced plans to create their own state-sanctioned version of Christian theology, citing unhappiness with existing Protestant beliefs.

But Vala noted that all these attempts to squash religious belief could backfire in the long run, especially the kind of policies implemented in Zhejiang, which are targeting state-sponsored religious groups that are supposedly guaranteed relative freedom by the government. Chinese Christians, he explained, often respond to oppression by flocking to one of the country’s many unsanctioned “house churches.” Leaders from these congregations are regularly arrested and detained, but that hasn’t stopped believers from organizing new “black market” worshipping communities — with or without government approval.

“In many ways it is likely to transform Christianity rather than halt its expansion in the region,” he said. “If the government restricts official religion, then those Christians will then go into the unregistered churches.”

The government’s actions in Zhejiang could also hurt the local economy, since the new policies challenge a longstanding truce between the city and its Christians — many of whom are major players in local markets.

“A lot of those Christians are entrepreneurs, so they bring a lot of business and jobs,” he said. “When I interview people [in Zhejiang], they say Christians there only care about two things: God and making money.’”

Regardless of the immediate outcome in Zhejiang, however, the crackdown on religious groups runs the risk of inspiring a wave of faith-based protestors. Many of the key organizers during the 2014 Hong Kong pro-democracy protests were Christians, for example, a fact partially linked to concerns that the government will institute oppressive policies on religious denizens of the democratically-minded city.

https://thinkprogress.org/what-actual-re...d02b1d7b17
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06-11-2017, 05:49 PM
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it's funny how the western liberals are suddenly pro christian when it comes to China.

I think christianity is one of the ways china can be subverted. protestantism can appeal to the broke people who missed the economic miracle and want to feel "superior" to the rich folks.

as long as you believe in jesus you going to heaven. very easy.

no works, sacraments or communion. no limbo.

just believe and you shall receive.
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06-11-2017, 05:53 PM
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i just got back from China maybe a month ago and I can say the environment there is more tense now. it's not as free as it used to be.

They are also cracking down on dog's without a permit. You can be walking your dog and they'll just take your dog if it's not registered. the dog is then thrown to a mass dog pound with no food or water.
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06-11-2017, 06:03 PM
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(06-11-2017 05:49 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  it's funny how the western liberals are suddenly pro christian when it comes to China.

I think christianity is one of the ways china can be subverted. protestantism can appeal to the broke people who missed the economic miracle and want to feel "superior" to the rich folks.

as long as you believe in jesus you going to heaven. very easy.

no works, sacraments or communion. no limbo.

just believe and you shall receive.

That's what the New Testament says. Communion is still important though.

Christianity is a path to freedom which is why the communists don't like it.

The crackdown seems a bit much though. It seems like they should back off and let people of faith worship. I would much rather be a Christian here in the USA than over there where the goverment tries to control your faith.
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06-11-2017, 06:05 PM
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(06-11-2017 05:53 PM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  i just got back from China maybe a month ago and I can say the environment there is more tense now. it's not as free as it used to be.

They are also cracking down on dog's without a permit. You can be walking your dog and they'll just take your dog if it's not registered. the dog is then thrown to a mass dog pound with no food or water.

Thats strange. Why are they getting so restrictive? What is driving it? Your comments have always seemed so positive there.
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06-11-2017, 07:21 PM
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probably because of the tense political climate and the uncertainty of Trump's motives.

they are restricting a lot of things all at once. for example no smoking in bars now which is a joke. not even the clubs.

they are also testing what the people can handle. it's been loose for a long time so they are trying to bring China in line with the western nations in terms of regulations and rules.

one part is that they want Shanghai/Beijing to be intl grade cities so they need to curb the anarchy and chaos.. which translates ot less freedom. another part I think is they want to regulate the people more to ingraine some fear in them in case they try to revolt.
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06-11-2017, 07:25 PM
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Chinese cities are already a shit environment compared to western cities. the only good thing was the more lax policing esp. in terms of nightlife and day to day activity. if they go forward with this more they will lose their advantage to western cities.

it has gradually been getting more strict I would say over the past 1-1.5 years
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06-11-2017, 09:07 PM
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Thanks for the insights. (did you really just blame Trump, lol = TDS) Tongue

Changes like that always make me curious. I wonder if part of the change is that the Chinese government is putting themselves out there now with things like what is happening in the South China sea. Maybe they want to get a tighter grip on their own people to help prepare for what could happen in the future.

I'm also always thinking about God's plan for the end times. Sometimes spiritual changes in the climate can effect governments and people.
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