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Trump just pissed off China big time. First POTUS call with taiwan since 1979
12-06-2016, 03:58 AM
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Trump just pissed off China big time. First POTUS call with taiwan since 1979
did he do it on purpose?

Critics say Trump's call with Taiwan may alter decades of foreign policy
Call was first publicly known between US and Taiwan leaders since 1979
Trump’s Taiwan phone call preceded by hotel development inquiry


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016...ign-policy

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12-06-2016, 03:59 AM
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RE: Trump just pissed off China big time. First POTUS call with taiwan since 1979
is this dude trying to warmonger with China? Many people in the US don't know but this is a VERY VERY big slap in the face against China. You're not supposed to recognize Taiwan as a country and you're not supposed to call them as if they were.
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12-06-2016, 04:24 AM
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12-06-2016, 04:30 AM
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12-06-2016, 04:45 AM
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China is building fake islands to take away large parts of other countries territorial waters. They can't dictate who other countries can talk to.
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12-06-2016, 05:01 AM
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this is not the smart way even if you want to confront China on trade.

this if it continues will lead to war. China will fight military over Taiwan.

this move has emboldened Taiwan to seek independence.

the near term result will be MORE ARMS SALES to taiwan. Trump is a smart businessman, but this won't usher in an era of peace
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12-06-2016, 05:07 AM
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RE: Trump just pissed off China big time. First POTUS call with taiwan since 1979
(12-06-2016 05:01 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  this is not the smart way even if you want to confront China on trade.

this if it continues will lead to war. China will fight military over Taiwan.

this move has emboldened Taiwan to seek independence.

the near term result will be MORE ARMS SALES to taiwan. Trump is a smart businessman, but this won't usher in an era of peace

I doubt it will lead to war. Maybe icier relations again. Both countries have to much to lose. Taiwan is not worth it.
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12-06-2016, 05:08 AM
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i don't think this act will lead to war, but if he continues down this path it will

China is very sensitive about Taiwan

in addition Taiwan holds most of China's historical crown jewels. Chiang Kai Shek cleared out all the treasures in the imperial palace before bouncing to taiwan
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12-06-2016, 05:19 AM
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Trump has been unhappy with China for a while now. Here he is last year saying that he wouldn't give them a state dinner but give them a Big Mac instead.




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12-06-2016, 05:21 AM
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^ i chuckled at that.

China is being unfair with trade, but at the same time US is a designated consumer nation so they want all the cheap goods.

people also have to remember just because something is made in China doesn't mean it's chinese.

iphones are made in China, but most of the money derived from it use goes to the US and the company is american.

US makes a lot of money getting shit made in China for cheap and then reimporting them back to the US to sell to the lemmings.

China is still the only country that has the overall skilled labor necessary to produce a myriad of goods. no other country can match their manufacturing capability
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12-06-2016, 05:33 AM
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EY,

What's really the big deal?

Isn't it like the Ossetian issue where there is some minor territory that due to past conflicts has de facto independence? Mao united China, but he never got around to adding Taiwan to his piece of the cake, and Taiwan is what was left over from Chang Kai Shek's republic, right?

Basically they had a civil war that achieved a ceasefire but not 100% peace and recognition, right? But at this point 65 years or so have passed, maybe it's time to just get along and recognize where the pieces have fallen? Why does Taiwan need to be part of the PRC? With Hong Kong I get it - that was a British colony and we don't agree with colonialism.
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12-06-2016, 05:52 AM
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China flew nuclear-capable bombers around Taiwan before Trump call with Taiwanese president

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/05/...ident.html
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12-06-2016, 06:30 AM
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(12-06-2016 05:33 AM)Rako Wrote:  EY,

What's really the big deal?

Isn't it like the Ossetian issue where there is some minor territory that due to past conflicts has de facto independence? Mao united China, but he never got around to adding Taiwan to his piece of the cake, and Taiwan is what was left over from Chang Kai Shek's republic, right?

Basically they had a civil war that achieved a ceasefire but not 100% peace and recognition, right? But at this point 65 years or so have passed, maybe it's time to just get along and recognize where the pieces have fallen? Why does Taiwan need to be part of the PRC? With Hong Kong I get it - that was a British colony and we don't agree with colonialism.

China is really big on Taiwan. it seems inconsequential, but it is a very strategically important location being close to Japan. geopolitically it is a very important nation.

in addition like i said, Taiwan holds most of the gold and treasures accumulated over thousands of years by the Chinese dynasties. that is huge in and of itself.

I actually think Taiwan should voluntarily let China administer its security. Taiwan makes most of its money from China. Taiwanese are Chinese and eat Chinese food. I just went there recently and the place is a run down shit hole similar to a lot of US cities. crumbling buildings, low social mood. China would give her new life.

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12-06-2016, 07:02 AM
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(12-06-2016 06:30 AM)EVILYOSHIDA Wrote:  China is really big on Taiwan. it seems inconsequential, but it is a very strategically important location being close to Japan. geopolitically it is a very important nation.

in addition like i said, Taiwan holds most of the gold and treasures accumulated over thousands of years by the Chinese dynasties. that is huge in and of itself.
Look how many Spanish speaking countries there are in Latin America with the same kinds of tribes and peoples. Guatemala and Mexico are both descended from the Olmecs. You can legitimately have various cultures and nations with a shared heritage living right next to each other with stable borders and no designs to conquer each other.

Why does the PRC need to have Taiwan and does it have any legitimate rights to annex it? I mean, why should the PRC be considered the "true" government of China and the Republic of China (Taiwan) be considered an illegeitimate one that countries' leaders like Trump in the US can't even call up on the telephone,.... other than the fact that the PRC conquered almost all of China in the Civil War?
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12-06-2016, 07:15 AM
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(12-06-2016 07:02 AM)Rako Wrote:  Look how many Spanish speaking countries there are in Latin America with the same kinds of tribes and peoples. Guatemala and Mexico are both descended from the Olmecs. You can legitimately have various cultures and nations with a shared heritage living right next to each other with stable borders and no designs to conquer each other.

I'm sorry Rako but the normal rules of territory and borders don't apply to Superpowers.

We're living the 1984 world of 3 Superpowers who will always be in a Cold War but never topple each other, because they need the balance to be maintained. The actual fighting is done by proxy and it's always the countries outside of the Empire's spheres that suffer the most. Likewise, every Economy needs to be plugged into one of the Superpowers to be successful. The US looks to suppress nations like Iran who have the culture and the resources to become autonomous regional powers that would upset this balance.

This system will last for another century until Europe, India, Iran or others are able to rival the influence of the US, Russia and China.

I don't like it either but you have to be a realist about it.
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